$5 NLHE 6-max: Folding on turn???

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Not much info, AF=2

pokerstars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 94.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 3)
SB: 104.6 BB (VPIP: 13.46, PFR: 5.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
BB: 106.8 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 23)
UTG: 124.8 BB (VPIP: 23.61, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 146)
MP: 37 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
Hero (CO): 159.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Js Jd
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop : (6.4 BB, 2 players) 4c 7c 7h
BB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, BB raises to 13.4 BB, Hero calls 9.4 BB

Turn : (33.2 BB, 2 players) 2s
BB bets 21 BB,
 
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Turn : (33.2 BB, 2 players) 2s
BB bets 21 BB,

Hero: Re-rais - 50 BB.

In most cases, you are ahead of having a couple of jacks. A re-raise gives you an additional foldequity, in contrast to the call, which does not clarify the situation, in case of continuation of the bet on the river.
 
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Turn : (33.2 BB, 2 players) 2s
BB bets 21 BB,

Hero: Re-rais - 50 BB.

In most cases, you are ahead of having a couple of jacks. A re-raise gives you an additional foldequity, in contrast to the call, which does not clarify the situation, in case of continuation of the bet on the river.
Why do you want fold equity if you're ahead? That makes no sense.

I just call it down. Villain has other pairs in his range.
 
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I just call it down. Villain has other pairs in his range.

Ок, :)

Turn: ... Hero- call 21bb
River: (75.2 BB, 2 players) 8c (or 4b, or Qc, or Ah, etc.)
BB bets ~73 bb (all-in)

Hero ?

 
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Ок, :)

Turn: ... Hero- call 21bb
River: (75.2 BB, 2 players) 8c (or 4b, or Qc, or Ah, etc.)
BB bets ~73 bb (all-in)

Hero ?


Fold equity means nothing if he is way ahead. I'm just sweetening the pot. Or if I'm raising his bluff that means he has an easy fold.

C9 that's why I'm leaning towards a fold on flop here. His sizing is leaning towards a stack play + getting value from draws. I don't think he'd bluff in this spot with an AF=2I pairs would likely call it than raise??/
 
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C9 that's why I'm leaning towards a fold on flop here.

I agree.
A re-raise of a villain on the flop speaks of a strong hand. Continuing bet on the turn means that we must either fold or play for promotion. Calling on the turn does not make sense, we just raise the bank without improving our card and do not even know how well we stand ...
 
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AF value has no meaning, too few hands. What AFq says?

Paired board are sometimes crazy, without reads best to try to guess what gto says.
 
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what's the difference between AF & AFq?? I don't have the hand right now so can't really check
 
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I have no info how AF is really calculated, I mean it feels like CB is not counted or something.

Anyways AFq is the raw value, including everything, also folds, because it includes everything it's more useful when few hands only. Anyways when playing tight AF can take up to 100 hands to converge to meaningful value for hero personally (self stat).
 
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what's the difference between AF & AFq?? I don't have the hand right now so can't really check
AF = (bets + raises) / calls

AFq = (bets + raises) / (bets + raises + checks + calls + folds)

Because AFq takes all actions into account, you get an idea of how aggressive an opponent is much quicker. But with 23 hands, we essentially just have the stats of an unknown reggy player.
 
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The flop raise is much more likely to come from a draw than a made hand. The turn is a brick and I call down here and only fold river if an obvious draw arrives and he bombs it.I'll fold to a bombed 3 or 8 (56) gets there or any club.
You can't fold flop here it's much too fit-n-fold we are ahead of so many draws I'm losing count.
You were concerned about your red line, if you fold flop or turn here I'm not surprised.
 
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I just run 594 hands:

AF 4.1 ; AFq 46
Turn AF 6.0; Turn AFq 50

Bad break even session, but still, AF values make no sense alone.
 
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