Originally Posted by beckyg89
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $7.54 USD ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 20, 3B: 8, AF: 2.0, Hands: 41
Seat 2: Player2 ( $17.92 USD ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 10, AF: 1.8, Hands: 66
Seat 3: Player3 ( $5.21 USD ) - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 3
Seat 4: Player4 ( $2.44 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 23
Seat 5: Player5 ( $5.18 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 5.0, Hands: 49
Seat 6: Hero ( $15.56 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 14, 3B: 7, AF: 1.9, Hands:
Player2 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ts Ks ]
Hero raises [$0.17 USD]
Player1 raises [$0.45 USD]
Hero calls [$0.28 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 3s, 8s ]
Hero bets [$0.69 USD]
Player1 calls [$0.69 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Th ]
Hero bets [$1.68 USD]
Player1 raises [$3.50 USD]
SO firstly I realize maybe shouldnt be calling this pre OOP. but As played 1) is the donk on the flop good here? 2) is the db good here as I improved? 3) I'm getting 4.14 to 1 on a call on the turn (19%) so even if I only have flush outs its probably just under break even to call however there is an additional 2.90 effective behind so hopefully I can scoop it if I hit which makes me lean to a call, folding on riv if I miss. - is that correct?
I'm a full ring player so maybe that's why but I think your opening is loose. I get open/steal from the CO but need to seriously consider folding to the 3bet. Calling 3bets lightly gets us in all sort of problems so we want to keep our range really tight here.
On the flop we are not the aggressor plus we have good outs to a strong hand. So we don't necessarily need to lead here. But on a J high 3 bet hand leading is not all bad, we can get a lot of folds. But our bet was too big. OOP leading so strong on the flop puts a lot of pressure on us OTT, especially when we do not have a made hand.
Turn we did improve but only to 2nd pair. Remember we liked the hand bc of our flush outs (2nd nuts though) and a T pair is really not strong plus now there are 3 to a straight (but I highly doubt villain 3bets us with Q9s). Coupled with the fact that villain showed great strength calling the flop on a board where we likely represented AJ, this should be reason enough to slow down. 99+ are very possible (I personally like TT, QQ+). So with a hand that could improve, we would be better off x/c here rather then db (pot control plays big here).
And he just min raised us which means he is deliberately "giving" the tempting odds. Eff stack here is ~150bb so my guess: villain wants a bigger pot so he could GII by the river. That gives credit to Aces and Kings (would be sick slow play). However after our turn bet calling is okay I guess .
So after your turn bet it may be okay to call and evaluate on river but we played the hand too aggressively and painted ourselves in a corner. We need to focus on playing most hands in position and a very tighter range in 3bet pots plus we need to be aware of hand strength and pot size. Drawing hands are just that, "drawing", we don't need to fight for every pot & would definitely benefit by keeping the fold button close. This hand is perfect example of marginal hands and situations we need to reduce in our play. They have a lot of risks involved and we usually end up 2nd best. Instead we need to focus more on hands and situations with fat value as that is where our profits are going to come from, and we actually increase our graph tremendously by avoiding marginal spots and cutting ur losses.
All of the above is IMHO ofc, cheers and happy grinding!