$5 NLHE 6-max: Flopped trips in a 3bet pot hand

Is calling the 3bet OK given the high 3bet stat and implied odds I'm getting with 2 villains involved?

On the flop, is shoving or flatting better? Could a shove look weaker than a call here?

BB villain is 22/15 and 16% 3bet over 40 hands.

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP) ($7.27)
CO ($3.95)
Button ($27.46)
SB ($5)
BB ($5.57)
UTG ($1.66)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 10 , 9
UTG bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, 3 folds, BB raises to $0.60, UTG calls $0.45, Hero calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.82) 3 , 9 , 9 (3 players)
BB bets $1.53, 1 fold, Hero ???

Fold pre. Probably shove flop. Looks like he has an overpair with that betsizing and I don't think he's getting away from it. If you think he's good enough to fold JJ-AA flat and then raise when he bets the turn.

Fold pre like said, initial raiser is short so calling isn't gonna be profitable especially with people behind you ( or is it infront? i dont know the terminology) who could squeeze.

Shove flop, Looks like he's gonna get it in, wouldnt want an A or K to kill your action on the turn if he holds something like JJ.

pre is really terrible.

What about if UTG had a full stack? Still bad call pre?

Don't play SC against strong ranges if you are likely to get 3-bet pre or end up HU.

I see, so even the original 15c call was bad.

I normally only play SCs with 2 or more villains already in the hand (calling a single raise) so idk why I called here.

If UTG is a reg I wouldn't mind a 3bet. He's going to have to fold a lot of his range (22-99) because your raise looks so strong.

Yeah i'd just fold without any reads, 3betting UTG opens will get you in to a lot of trouble, if i was gonna 3bet an UTG open i'd rather have A3s and he'd have to be capable of folding a good amount of the time to 3bets, 9Ts is probably just best to flat when you can see a cheap multiway flop...

Pre
Fold>4bet>>>>>call

I'm not sure shoving is the best play here. Didn't notice his 3-bet% is so high. It might be better to just let him keep a big bluff range.

Meh. 16% over 40 hands is like one 3 bet.

I agree with flatting though. Let overpairs and bluffs continue betting. We have position in a bloated pot and it shouldnt be hard to get stacks in if we just call OTF.

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3bet stats are meaningless under 200 hands yet still we see people reacting to 3bet stats of 50% over a sample of 2 hands like it has some kind of meaning.

150 hands is usually reliable

Poker is a game of incomplete information, it's helpful to have a bigger sample but not necessary. You can make a lot of correct assumptions off a very small sample if you're paying attention, i.e. someone squeezes and shows down 97o.

In this case he's been at the table for less than 7 orbits and likely he's 3-bet at least 3-4 times already, he's probably not a nit.

baudib1 said:

In this case he's been at the table for less than 7 orbits and likely he's 3-bet at least 3-4 times already, he's probably not a nit.

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Im pretty sure that 16% means he has 3bet once

I'm pretty sure 16% means it cannot be once (it's probably 4 out of 25 or so) and it seems highly unlikely that in 6-7 orbits that he's only had a raise to him 6-7 times.

What you have to remember is that a 3bet is also a PFR.

So of 40 hands 15% were PFR, of which 16% were 3bets

15% of 40 is 6

and 16 % of 6 = 1

So in the last 7 orbits this guy has 3bet once before.. he is obviously insanely aggressive and we should consider stacking off with our 9Ts

1 of 6 = 16.666 (17%)

I'm not sure how you're deriving your 3-bet%, I'm busy right now but that can't possibly be right.

baudib1 said:

1 of 6 = 16.666 (17%)

I'm not sure how you're deriving your 3-bet%, I'm busy right now but that can't possibly be right.

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Well stats are not shown to decimal places. They are rounded.

16% of 6 is 0.96 which rounds to 1

The 15% is also rounded.

The definitions are directly from Poker Tracker

A PFR is ANY raise preflop (which includes 3bets)

Here is a link to the PT3 manual.. you can look the definitions up yourself if you want.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...mKnSAQ&usg=AFQjCNF4Y_xrb568jg4Z7CZ9MGuChu8UrA

wtf I know PFR is any raise.

3-bet% represents the number of times someone 3-bets when they have a chance to 3-bet. in other words, if someone 3-bets .9% of the time and never bluff, they have KK or AA exclusively.

What you're saying is that 3-bets are a % of their PFR, which makes no sense and would be barely useful at all.

and it's not the 1 that gets rounded up, FFS! how can you 3-bet .96 times??? It's the 16.6 that gets rounded up

yeah, it's exactly what I just said it was.

baudib1 said:

wtf I know PFR is any raise.

3-bet% represents the number of times someone 3-bets when they have a chance to 3-bet. in other words, if someone 3-bets .9% of the time and never bluff, they have KK or AA exclusively.

What you're saying is that 3-bets are a % of their PFR, which makes no sense and would be barely useful at all.

and it's not the 1 that gets rounded up, FFS! how can you 3-bet .96 times??? It's the 16.6 that gets rounded up

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The 15% is rounded !

wat

am I insane here?

If you 3-bet 1 out of 6 times, it gets rounded up and becomes 17%, you cannot get 16% from 3-betting 1 time!

I have my head in my hands at this point.

I didnt invent 3bet and PFR definitions.. they are what they are

A 3bet is any time you raise over a raise (regardless of if you opened or noT)

A PFR is any raise preflop (it includes opens, 3bets 4bets and so on)

This is a big reason as to why stats are so meaningless with small samples.