$5 NLHE 6-max: flopped a pair with pair on board.

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$5 NL HE 6-max: flopped a pair with pair on board.

i didnt know what to do when he reraised. i thought he could have been making that move with a mid PP or he could have had the queen.

poker stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 683208
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BB: $3.49
Hero (UTG): $5.06
MP: $5.86
CO: $4.80
BTN: $2.94
SB: $1.78

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with T J
Hero raises to $0.15, MP calls $0.15, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.52) Q J Q (3 players)
Hero bets $0.30, MP calls $0.30, BTN folds

Turn: ($1.12) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, MP raises to $1.55, Hero folds
 
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Raise preflop was kind of loose play. I would fold that here because it's micro stakes and your pos is slighty poor. I like the flop cbet. The b/f turn was a bad play here. I like c/c or even as nit as c/f

I don't like b/f because the only hand would call or raise turn would be hand that beats us. I see hands like 22- 99 folding and weak jacks folding here. Our opponent might call with a st8 draw. Depends on how loose our opp are.

I would c/c here but fold preflop.
 
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weak turn bet is bad, either check or bet more

raise isnt bad at all, i <3 the ole jts

it just depends wat type of player he is, nit? super agg? either way i check turn to make myself look weak and then analyze on river

so i rlly dont like ur line here from the turn on
 
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i like JTs because at these stakes it can stack you off easily. check on turn now does seem like the play to make though, thanks
 
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I like JTs too, maybe not one of my favourites UTG but it depends on the table makeup really.

Couple of questions I would ask myself on this one. Firstly, what does he flat with on the flop once you've led out? That depends on the villain, and his stats - would he be likely to see another card with T9, KT, and other drawing hands? Has he hit the Q and wants you to catch up because he doesn't think you've hit hard enough to get 3 streets of value from you?

The second question is why the raise on the turn. The 6 doesn't really change anything, unless he has hearts and has just picked up the draw. There are only two types of hand I would really put him on - a drawing hand, and he's going to try and take the pot down now as he doesn't think you've got a queen and his draw has missed (he may have picked up flush draw too, so is happy if you flat) or he has the queen and your 2nd bet means he thinks he can get more value.

Personally, given the strong reraise (at micro stakes I normally find those who want you to call will raise 2-2.5x as opposed 3 to encourage the call) I think he's got a weak hand which he could be pushed off by a shove by you, but that's a pretty ballsy move.

Just my opinion :)
 
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Raising J10 UTG is bad so don't do it. All the anecdotal nonsense above about it is bad. Play it on the button or CO. Otherwise fold it.
 
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I'd only ever raise it UTG on an extremely tight table where I could outplay anyone post flop and there were only 4 or less people dealt into a hand :)

And seeing as he had already raised it, I figured I'd give some advice on how to play it post flop if he did end up in a similar situation.
 
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fold JTs UTG, stop playing crap and you wont be in difficult spots
 
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I'd only ever raise it UTG on an extremely tight table where I could outplay anyone post flop and there were only 4 or less people dealt into a hand :)

If you can outplay them from OOP, you need to move up in stakes. ;)
 
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If you can outplay them from OOP, you need to move up in stakes. ;)

why? if your outplaying them you are taking all their money...
i wouldnt want to be at a stake where i am being outplayed
 
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"from OOP"
Exploit them from position, run away like a scared little school girl most of them time when you're OOP.
Even against fish don't start planning to abstractly outplay them post flop. If you were flat calling KJ vs a 40% blind stealing range when your opponent is spewy post flop then you can plan to value town any K or J and you'll be outplaying him. If you know they have some insanely exploitable fold to cbet % or their floating range is way too wide then you can plan to outplay them. In this situation, we need this read on the whole table not just one player.


JTs isn't actually that bad. It can reasonably be part of your bluff range (which should be tiny, and sometimes you shouldn't actually have a bluff range at all UTG). It's just the plan to "outplay anyone post flop" that sets off alarm bells.
 
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