$5 NLHE 6-max: Floped set on wet board, is my turn play fine here?

Hi, I'm at the stage where im still learning 6-max (usally play HU) and I want to know if checking the turn is fine here because I was afraid of flush/straight or draws or if im missing out on value from KQ KJ sort of hands? I appretiate your thoughts on this one.
Obviously I rivered the full house so as played im sure shoving there is fine but Im more looking for insight on my turn play and maybe betting bigger on the flop. Thnakyou CC


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($3)
SB ($4.64)
BB ($2.48)
UTG ($5.76)
MP ($5.82)
Hero (CO) ($2.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 , 9
1 fold, MP bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, 1 fold, SB calls $0.18, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.80) 5 , K , 9 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.60, 1 fold, BB calls $0.60, 1 fold

Turn: ($2) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero raises to $1.95 (All-In), BB calls $0.68 (All-In)

Total pot: $5.36 | Rake: $0.26

Results below:

inb4: I probably prefer 0.70-full pot on the flop

At 5nl you are missing value from one pair hands as I don't see him folding k/x. However his line looks pretty weird for a king, more likely a flush

I'd bet on turn.

Do not check the turn. There are draws there and you simply let him have another card for free to see if his draw completes without paying a single cent. And another thing. You and your opponent are half full stack ( this is a big fish sign from you and your opponent meaning you are both poor players) witch means if you bet the turn and he calls he is commited to the hand. He will have to call the river no matter what.
Another thing. With 99, 3-bet pre and get it in on the flop when you are shortstack.

Always play with a full stack.

b/c turn

i see a check on the turn as a pot control check and u only fold on the river to an other diamond, so if u did it on that purpose it is a good check, and on the river u call his 1$ bet if its not a diamond. it happened that u hit a full so easy raise.

micromoi said:

i see a check on the turn as a pot control check and u only fold on the river to an other diamond, so if u did it on that purpose it is a good check, and on the river u call his 1$ bet if its not a diamond. it happened that u hit a full so easy raise.

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I can understand the concept of pot control with TPTK or 2 pair hands on wet boards but pot control with a set?

You played this hand just fine. Maybe a bigger bet on the flop would be even better, since you are in a 4 way pot, and by betting smaller you are basically giving them the right odds to call if they are on some kind of draw. ANd also this way you get the maximum value too, since opponents at 2NL and 5Nl tend to chase draws regardless of pot odds.

And just to add this.
This is a 4 way pot. It's much more likely someone had a flushdraw, and just got there with the turn card, so this check on the turn is excellent in my opinion. If you were heads-up, I wouldn't mind betting for value but in a multiway pot you should always be more careful. On top of that, you got rewarded on the river by filling up, and that's it.

pot control is bs

baudib1 said:

pot control is bs

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Care to evaluate on that? I don't think it's that bad.

thanks for the feedback guys, usally playing at 0.50-1 but i dont know if you read my other thread, atm im in the middle of a prop bet to turn $0 into 1k in a month hence the fact I was playing 5nl.

PS.
about my stack lol.. literally previous hand just came off a pretty bad cooler and hadnt re-loaded yet :/

Yoshimiii said:

Care to evaluate on that? I don't think it's that bad.

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+1 ^^

runnerx289 said:

thanks for the feedback guys, usally playing at 0.50-1 but i dont know if you read my other thread, atm im in the middle of a prop bet to turn $0 into 1k in a month hence the fact I was playing 5nl.

PS.
about my stack lol.. literally previous hand just came off a pretty bad cooler and hadnt re-loaded yet :/

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FT does not have autoreload?

Yoshimiii said:

Care to evaluate on that? I don't think it's that bad.

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What the heck do you wanna control when you are pot comitted yourself? And you wanna control the pot with a set at 5 NL?

Yoshimiii said:

Care to evaluate on that? I don't think it's that bad.

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It's bad because winning at poker is about pushing thin edges. If you have an equity edge vs. someone's range you should be willing to put an infinite amount of money in the pot.

Most of the time when people want to "pot control" it's a misapplication of the term because it's usually when people are afraid to bet what is a solid value hand. There are times to not bet what is likely to be the best hand but it's generally when you're destroying their range of bluffcatchers and you're never getting 3 streets of value or when you're just going to be completely dead with 20 bad turn cards with 1 pair in a multiway pot.

When opponents can call with tons of worse hands, you can rep a wide range and you have solid equity even when behind there's not really a good reason to "pot control."

-Bomb flop for full pot.
-Bomb turn for full pot.
-Bomb river for whatever you have left.

5NL players are awful and will call you down really light. The majority of the time your villain will call down worse (since flushes are rare), some of the time he'll fold turn, and then about 20% of the time you'll boat up on the river.

Yeah, pretty much just betting flop/turn and getting it in whenever possible.

Also, buy in full and auto top up. There's no reason for you not to have $5 to shove in when you boated up.

Shove the turn. Lol at pot controlling when the pot is bigger than villains stack. If he has a flush we're getting stacked no matter what we do. Checking back merely allows the hands we do beat to draw to a free diamond or retain their stacks.

Menschlich said:

I can understand the concept of pot control with TPTK or 2 pair hands on wet boards but pot control with a set?

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u put your opponent on what he calls the flop there is a flush draw out there, the draw is completed on the turn, you are not getting 3straights of value from a pair and u r behind a flush.