$5 NLHE 6-max: Flop two pair, get shoved on at the turn

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poker stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2162538
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SB: $5.00 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 7, AF: 0.7, hands: 50
BB: $5.39 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 26, 3B: 11, AF: 0.4, Hands: 58
UTG: $5.08 - VPIP: 9, PFR: 9, 3B: 5, AF: 0.0, Hands: 47
CO: $3.67 - VPIP: 34, PFR: 4, 3B: 6, AF: 5.3, Hands: 50
Hero (BTN): $10.87 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 3.6, Hands: 364690

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with K
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1 fold, CO calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.25, 2 folds, CO calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.57) 2
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8
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K
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CO bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.55

Turn: ($2.07) J
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CO bets $2.67, Hero calls $2.67

River: ($7.41) 3
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Ignore the fact that I'm isolating with a hand that his limp/calling range might dominate. I'm confident that I can play profitably postflop in this scenario.

The range I assigned him for donking is any K/flush draw/set. Fairly sure he donk/calls with KT or higher and any decent flush draw. Sets will donk/min 3-bet and/or 3-bet shove. Of course this isn't set in stone so he may donk/call flop and shove turn with a set.

Anyway I snap called here knowing I would never be able to get away from my hand, I thought KJ the most likely possibility as his line is the exact way he plays this, all other hands in his range may vary in their line.

So do we think he spazzes enough worse hands to make this possible, if he plays a set this way it might not be unreasonable to think he will go crazy with a flush draw on occasion here.

Thoughts?
 
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Pre is super standard and perfectly fine. I might go slightly smaller but w/e.

Never folding to the turn shove (the 5.3af when he's 34/4 is interesting despite the sample). Yeah you see KJ here a fair bit but I mean give him KJ J8 and JJ by themselves and you can still profitably call this. Throw in the odd random spaz, some hearts (that may or may not include the Jh), even other sets if you want, and it only gets better for you from there. If he doesn't call a flop raise with J8 then you can substitute a few nut flush draws. I can't really imagine not looking him up.
 
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Ignore the fact that I'm isolating with a hand that his limp/calling range might dominate. I'm confident that I can play profitably postflop in this scenario.

The range I assigned him for donking is any K/flush draw/set.
Clearly your reasoning might be flawed. His aggression factor is very high, especially given his VPIP. K8s is going to be a liability if he donks 100% of flops and doesn't give up much. I'm okay with your play pre if you know how to play this guy, but I doubt you do. Fold to cbet and donk bet flop percentages are very helpful here.

Turn is a standard call, flop raise should be larger.
 
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Isn't it a bit weird his 3bet% is higher than his open raise %? I see that in 2NL with aggro fishes and invariably these people suck badly so therefore get little credit from me that they have a clue.

His high AF postflop only strengthens this view.

I don't play 6-max though, only FR.
 
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On the turn,I see the CO raise $2.67,I will think he maybe have 22 or AK,KQ,KJ. So it depends on the lucky and hope he is crazy.
 
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FWIW: I would call here. However, I strongly suspect villain holds K-J. Villain did bet the flop here. 50 hands is probably not enough of a sample to accurately determine villain's tendencies. He could lead out OTF with something like J-8, like a defensive bet.


Also, not uncommon for fishes to limp/call with J-J perhaps in this spot. If villain is indeed a fish, who knows what he has. These fish are very unpredictable.


I would look him up, but I think K-8 is beat here.
 
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^^ My exact thoughts. I decided to call because I think he can spazz with J8/KQ/flush draws enough that folding two pair is just horrible. Plus I figure all the times a J doesn't come I stack him anyway.

Unfortunately he had the KJ, but whatever.
 
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