$5 NLHE 6-max: Flop 3 bet on Q high board?

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What's the best way to play this? Again doing a review so I don't recall this hand specifically.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 74.2 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, hands: 5)
CO: 163.8 BB (VPIP: 7.41, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
BTN: 189.2 BB (VPIP: 32.08, PFR: 16.98, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 56)
SB: 120.8 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 23)
BB: 63 BB (VPIP: 45.45, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K:club: Q:heart:

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) Q:club: 8:heart: 3:heart:
SB bets 6 BB, fold, Hero raises to 15 BB, SB raises to 29 BB, Hero ???
 
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I prefer to flat his flop donk, and raise a non-heart turn.
If he 3-bets that, I can let it go.

Here, I'm having difficulty folding, especially since he didn't 3-bet very large. I basically need to see a heart on the board before I lay it down.
But I tend to stack of with top pair a little too often, so YMMV.
 
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Yeah, SB isn't a drooler and he just lead into 2 other players. Donk bets usually come from... donks. Good players do it because they want to inflate the pot.

Just call, see a turn. This is combo draws, sets, and occasionally weaker semi-bluffs like JT. This is not a situation where I'd want to stack off.

I'd fold to his 3-bet as played.
 
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Villain has pretty typical 6 max numbers, but with a small sample size. In that small sample size he has a 10% 3-bet, so the fact he didn't 3-bet tends to eliminate AA, KK, QQ, AK and AQ from his range.

Donk betting is for donks, so the question is, "Is he a player who wants to look like a donk, or a donk?" We can't tell from the sample size. Your reraise on the flop tells him you are serious, but he doesn't seem to care, getting 1/4 of his stack in on the term in what looks like a perperation for a shove.

He is very polarized with either 88, 33, or thinks he push you off with a flush draw or air. You are 60/40 ahead on the flush draw. and a 10/90 dog against pairs. There are 6 combos of pairs he could have and three as many flush draws (we have to assume he doesn't have AKs, AJs or 62, I'd play AT, A9, A7, A6, A5, A4, A2, KJ, KT, K9, JT, J9, T9, 97, 65.) 6 times you win .1, and 15 times you win .6 or (9+.6)/21 = 45/55 dog.

If you figure the odd called AKs preflop balances the pure air, you should shove. You built the pot to 30BBs and now shoving cost 70BB to win 100BB. Not great and definitely high variance.

Would have been better to call the donk bet denying the villain information about your hand and reevaluate on the turn, folding on the turn to a decent bet, and raising a non flush brick.
 
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Thanks for your input guys I appreciate it!
 
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I'd insta fold to the flop 3-bet. Someone like this isn't 3-betting that small as a bluff or with a worse Q. They also aren't betting like this w/ a draw of any kind often enough. If they had some kind of combo draw, they'd check raise a lot more or 3-bet larger on the flop. I think you're mostly hoping for a split pot w/ this kind of line against a bad reg.

Most of these kinds of leads by decent players at your stakes into UTG or early position opens is to try and get raises against good hands and get them to stack off w/ worse big pairs. You're looking at a set at such a high % of the time vs this kind of opponent and line. And the other times you aren't, you're not a huge favorite any ways.
 
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