$5 NLHE 6-max: Facing weak Cbet with KK

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Thoughts on this guys? I was confused on the flop. The bet looked unbelievably weak, and I was fairly sure I was ahead. I thought a shove would make him fold, so I was hoping he would bet turn. If I think I'm good on the flop, the turn shove is the right move, correct?

Any input appreciated.. Cheers folks.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 196.2 BB
SB: 83.2 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 5)
BB: 89.2 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 37)
UTG: 87.2 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: 252.6 BB (VPIP: 19.09, PFR: 17.27, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 112)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K:diamond: K:heart:

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10.4 BB, fold, fold, UTG raises to 17.8 BB, Hero calls 7.4 BB

Flop: (37 BB, 2 players) 7:heart: A:club: 2:heart:
UTG bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Turn: (49 BB, 2 players) 7:diamond:
UTG bets 23 BB, Hero raises to 172.4 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 40.4 BB and is all-in

River: (175.8 BB, 2 players) 3:club:

UTG shows Q:heart: Q:club: (Two Pair, Queens and Sevens) (Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows K:diamond: K:heart: (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens) (Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 168.6 BB
 
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Are you flatting preflop for deception or is there another reason? Why not 4 bet and let him get it in? If villain has AA good on him, if he has AK RUN IT! If he has anything else well just ship it :)
 
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Yes 4 bet would be better.
I probably call on turn or just fold, Aces is in his range.
 
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Preflop call was a mis-click. I need to get a mouse.
 
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why reraise shove turn when your only getting called by better and losing value from all his bluffs that he might keep firing and at the same time pay you off.


I think its very very spewy and super bad. with all due respect.

Shoving the turn is very bad. flat and if river doesnt change anything,then definitely ch/call river as well,if the price is right. your hand is a bluff catcher and you are turning it into a bad bluff that wont get an ace to fold but will make all worse hands fold.
 
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vin his bluffs in this spot are pairs tho, pairs won't fold.
 
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vin his bluffs in this spot are pairs tho, pairs won't fold.

Alot of them will when he 3 bet shoves on the turn. What does shoving accomplish in this spot the majority of the time? To get worse pairs to fold an get called by all aces. Im not saying its impossible for worse pairs to call. Im just saying that more often than not they fold with the line hero has taken here.
 
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vin his bluffs in this spot are pairs tho, pairs won't fold.

Alot of them will when he 3 bet shoves on the turn. What does shoving accomplish in this spot the majority of the time? To get worse pairs to fold an get called by all aces. Im not saying its impossible for worse pairs to call. Im just saying that more often than not they fold with the line hero has taken here. Not to mention utg's 4bet pre . So that ace SHOULD be worrying.
 
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Ouch :D

Preflop is horrible (OK misclick but KK for <100bb is megainstashove with zero hesitation), flop good, turn horrible.

Srsly, you have position and vinyl explained why shoving is bad.
 
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Alot of them will when he 3 bet shoves on the turn. What does shoving accomplish in this spot the majority of the time? To get worse pairs to fold an get called by all aces. Im not saying its impossible for worse pairs to call. Im just saying that more often than not they fold with the line hero has taken here. Not to mention utg's 4bet pre . So that ace SHOULD be worrying.

completely discount AA/AK given flop sizing. QQ/JJ most likely hand. could lose action on heart rivers. not saying i love the turn shove but its pretty trivial once we get there.
 
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I doubt villain auto gives up on a heart, he is pretty committed here and he is first to act. Pot is 95bb and he has 40bb left. Basically he must shove.
 
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4 bet preflop (I would just shove seeing he's got only 87bbs) or just call down instead of raising all in with an A on the board.

He aint folding an A on the turn with half his stack committed. What are you hoping he has that you can beat and will call your shove?
 
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