$5 NLHE 6-max: Facing a Jam with the Second Nut Flush

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Hero opens to $0.15 in the Small Blind with Kh6h ($5.00 starting stack)
Villain calls in the Big Blind ($4.71 starting stack)


Flop ($0.30): Th 3h Qh
Hero checks
Villain checks


Turn ($0.30): Th 3h Qh 3d
Hero bets $0.20
Villain calls


River ($0.70): Th 3h Qh 3d 8c
Hero bets $0.90
Villain raises all-in for $4.36 total


I have the results if anyone wants them, but I'm curious about a few things first. I check the flop to trap villain, figuring I'm not getting called by worse very often and I can potentially induce some bluffs. Villain checks back.


OTT, I have to go for value. When he calls, I put him on a weak flush, a flush draw, J9, KJ, or a middling pair. Playing turned trips for showdown value is possible, but I think there's a chance he raises that since I checked the flop. TT and QQ 3bet preflop and I think the one combo of 33 bets the flop since the board is so wet. I don't put him on a boat or quads here.


When the river comes an 8, I decide to overbet. I figure if my opponent has a weaker flush or hit his miracle straight, he'll call down, and he might bluff reraise thinking I'm trying to get a fold with a missed draw (say AK, AJ, or KJ with a heart). Villain ends up jamming over the top.


What do you think? With my line, am I actually repping the hand I have and villain is only jamming with a hand that has me beat, or does the overbet seem bluffy enough to induce a jam? Are you calling down or letting this one go? If you do call down, are you happy about it or are you reluctantly hitting the call button?
 
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It can hardly be a FD cause the V'd bet flop or raise turn & only 3 combos of sets assuming he has a decent 3betting range. Besides they should prob be betting flop or raising turn. I'm happily calling that.
I like the overbet on river but I'm prob betting flop tho
 
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It can hardly be a FD cause the V'd bet flop or raise turn & only 3 combos of sets assuming he has a decent 3betting range. Besides they should prob be betting flop or raising turn. I'm happily calling that.
I like the overbet on river but I'm prob betting flop tho

I agree; why would you bet flop on that board? Obviously for value, but do you think you can get called by worse? More specifically, do you think a bet is more profitable than a check here? It seems to me like checking the flop here under-reps my hand and lets me potentially get two streets of value -- whereas if I bet flop, most hands that aren't a FD or a set are probably going away on the turn.
 
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No need to slow play just bet flop turn and river. As played it's pretty close but because our hand is underrepped id call.
 
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I am happily calling here. I can't see villain checking back a flopped set with 3 hearts on the board as you pointed out, so I'm thinking you're only really beat by nut flush.
 
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No need to slow play just bet flop turn and river. As played it's pretty close but because our hand is underrepped id call.
Supposing you get called on the flop and turn, then he jams the river, are you still calling? You said it's pretty close but you're calling because our hand is underrepped -- are you still doing so if you had bet the flop?
 
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When the ranges are so wide and you have such a nutted hand you need to bet this flop right away, there is a huge number of combos that can and must call, dont forget how wide the ranges are on BvB situation, villain must have dozens of naked hearts top pairs middle pairs 2 pairs weaker flushes.If you don't bet a hand like this, how do you play a hand like Khx or Ahx. Its ok to trap sometimes to have flushes in your check range too but i think it should be on a lower frequency.As played i am not happy with the jam but have to call
 
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Failing to bet this flop is criminal. Another heart kills your hand or your action, and any pair or straight draw with a heart isn't folding to a cbet.

You have a big hand, make a big pot. You don't have to do any overbet nonsense if you just lead the flop.

Preflop is fine if your opponent is a nit. Otherwise, should probably fold, since you'd be OOP the whole hand.
 
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Yea, c-bet. You can get calls from everything you put him on when he called turn plus a Q or 10. As played I call. I expect to see 88 here sometimes.
 
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Supposing you get called on the flop and turn, then he jams the river, are you still calling? You said it's pretty close but you're calling because our hand is underrepped -- are you still doing so if you had bet the flop?

In this spot yes i think so. Building a range for villain in that scenario i would generally exclude QQ as it 3bets most of the time pre. 33 is very unlikely for quads then even with a hand like a set on the flop you expect them to raise on a two tone flop most of the time.It's also the the big blind calling so they can have a'lot more drawing hands.With everything taken into consideration and without any reads or hud stats second nut flush for me would still be a call in this spot.Albeit a slightly begrudging call.
 
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I would still call on the river,we are not getting away from this.Considered it a cooler tho.
 
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I agree; why would you bet flop on that board? Obviously for value, but do you think you can get called by worse? More specifically, do you think a bet is more profitable than a check here?
Yes. Not betting that board is critical. So many turn cards kill your action, flush draws won't pay off your river bets, blah blah blah it's all been said.

Bet wet boards.
 
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You should cbet 1/2 of the pot the flop.

Now, I if villain had a monster hand I think he would bet the 3-flush flop after your check.

As played, it's difficult to muck the second flush. There are solid possibilities that villain tries to throw you out of the pot with a river shove-bluff, but if I see a nut hand from villain too, I wouldn't be surprised ....

It's a gut hand, I think I would call.
 
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C-betting on the flop is a bit better play imo. It is very hard to hit a flush on the flop, and SB betting range should be very very wide in that spot pre-flop. From villain's perspective, he can call to see the flop with a ridiculously wide range of hands, and he doesn't even need to 3-bet pre flop with monsters. Reason behind this is that you fold a lot of hands against a re-raise pre-flop, and if villain just calls you, he gives you a chance to c-bet/bluff the flop.
The way you played it, it seems as if you are bluffing the river, which allows villain to shove like this with both bluffs and nut hands, therefore forcing you to make a 50-50% decision.
Personally, would call and hope for the best, and if I were to lose, wouldn't sweat too much about it.

IMO his most likely range is TP with a heart, Ax with a heart, trips - that's why I am more inclined to call that river shove
 
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