$5 NLHE 6-max: Do you play this 3-bet pot flop multiway differently?

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Hi,

At the start of session I had an interesting hand, I don't often face a situation where a 3-bet pot goes multiway. But here it is from Zoom, from two complete unknowns so I'm looking for theory optimal here I guess. I lead the flop because I couldn't imagine giving a free card on this flop against two players. Q,J and 9 is completely awful for the CO if he doesn't have QQ or JJ imo, so I would expect a check back, not sure. Thoughts? Thx!

No Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05
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6 players

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($15.44) --- First hand against
MP - Hero ($5.03)
CO - CO ($5.00) --- VPIP : 22% PFR : 22% #hands : 9 3Bet : 17% (1/6)
BTN - BTN ($4.15)
SB - SB ($5.57)
BB - BB ($5.05)

Preflop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is MP with J:heart: J:diamond:
UTG raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, CO raises to $0.45, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: J:club: Q:diamond: 9:diamond: ($1.42, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20, UTG raises to $14.99 (all-in), Hero calls $3.38 (all-in), 1 fold, Uncalled bet of $10.41 returned to UTG

Turn: 9:spade: ($11.78, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 8:diamond: ($11.78, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Total Pot: $11.78
 
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why are you betting so big?
 
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Fear of a suckout by giving too good of a price to draw I guess, both could be drawing and was fairly sure I'd have at least one caller anyway. But my hand can improve too so that's why I questioned my play.

You'd bet around half pot? Or not lead at all?
Heads up I would do a standard little more than 1/2 pot bet here.
 
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hmmm , think i probably call this but not happy about it AK probably calls but AdKd with his flush outs could well do this, 99 could as well as QQ, AA KK probably reraise pre unless they got greedy aiming for three stacks and FPSed preflop.

6 combos of QQ beat us and he could have 6 combos of 99, 1 combo of AdKd and half of his 12 combos of TT and 3 or 4 combos of AA, KK that didn't reraise pre and were ahead 17:6 . with the dead money already in the pot its a reluctant call.
 
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frankly I see nothing wrong in calling with what you had, with two cards to come. you frequently see multiple pocket pairs come up tho, sure they do it to build bigger pots. I put him on the str8. or pocket kings. how did it turn out?
 
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''Q,J and 9 is completely awful for the CO if he doesn't have QQ or JJ imo''
The CO can't have JJ - you have JJ and the flop contains one...
''You'd bet around half pot? Or not lead at all?''
The amount you bet is fine considering the draws on this flop ,the fact that it is a 3 way pot and because you don't have information on the villains .
The allin call is mandatory .
 
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''Q,J and 9 is completely awful for the CO if he doesn't have QQ or JJ imo''
The CO can't have JJ - you have JJ and the flop contains one...

Oh no, I meant if I'm the CO shoes I probably hate this flop most of the time, so this is why I didn't wait for him to cbet as I think he could check behind and I don't want to give a free card.


Regarding the all-in, I thought it was a mandatory call at around 100bb (but reluctant as Keith said also). I expected to see QQ often.
He had QJ! :D
 
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i think cbetting is good but its important to know why you're cbetting. draws dont have enough equity to call profitably on this board so when they do call they are giving us value. if the board becomes double paired or king or 10 to for straight draws on the turn or river we can slow down and be a little more cautious but you dont want to give up fearing the worst either. one of the toughest skills in my opinion for a poker player is knowing when to step on the gas and when to put the breaks on.

I base my cbet sizing on board texture because its a balanced approach. I cbet 33 to 45% of pot on rainbow boards and cbet 66% on flush draw boards.
 
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I agree with this approach for sure, it's solid advice. And I especially like the cbet percentage changes based on rainbow vs flush draw boards.
 
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Great advice indeed, I'll try to add that cbet sizing to my game.

Think one problem I still have is "pot entitlement", like this pot is mine and I sometimes chase people away and lose value. Especially when I have a set I'd say.
 
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