$5 NLHE 6-max: Dealing with aggressive 3-betters - played well??

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Poker Stars - $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em (6 players)
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SB: $5.93
BB: $1.74
UTG: $5.58
MP: $5
CO Hero: $5.03
BTN: $8.19

Pre-flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO and dealt :jh4: :jc4:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.45, BB folds, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) :9h4: :ac4: :2c4: (2 players)
SB bets $0.68, Hero raises to $1.36, SB folds, Hero returned $0.68

First hand-history I ever posted!
The villain had been 3-betting quite often so I called with my Jacks and then re-raised his post-flop c-bet. Obviously, I didn't want to shove in case he did have an ace but I wanted to raise because I thought I was ahead.
Do you think I played it well? Or do you think I should have folded pre or post flop instead? Or shoved/raised preflop?
I'm just learning how to properly deal with aggressive 3-betters and was wondering if anyone has some good tips. For example, what hands would you call a 3-bet with (rather than 4-bet).
Thx :D
 
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Depends how much he was 3-betting but if he was doing it a lot and had pretty loose stats, i'd be happy to 4-bet and be happy to stack preflop with JJ against someone like that.

Not a big fan of the flop raise, if he has the A then you're not gonna make him fold, if he doesn't then you're making him fold (which isn't good) I like calling and if he checks the turn betting for value then.
 
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Yea I would 4bet. It is weird that you let the jacks decrease in value (when the ace hit) then raised the flop. The way you played the hand was turning jacks into a bluff and they have too much value for that. When you raise the flop you don't fold out any better hands and get called by worse... Weird hand lol
 
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Raise not good here

you are in a way ahead/way behind situation. the hand is quite stable, ie., whoever is ahead now will very likely be ahead at the river. Like the other posters said, you won't get an ace to fold, you'll only fold out hands that are serious dogs to your jacks. I like calling here and giving the villain a chance to bluff the turn.

Also keep in mind the small hand, small pot idea. your jacks, while quite possibly the best hand, are still just an underpair, and if your opponent is willing to put a lot of money in the pot, odds are he can beat jacks. so you won't get paid by weaker hands, and you can lose a lot to stronger ones. play this hand slower, and try to keep the pot small.
 
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So you guys don't like my flop bet eh? lol, it is a bit weird I know and in retrospect I prob should have 4-bet/shoved pre-flop as I knew he was 3-betting light.
As played though, the trouble is, if I call and then he bets the turn I wouldn't know whether it was a bluff or not. In fact, if he double-barreled I would put him on Ax/KK/QQ or even a set and I would probably fold. If he checks the turn and I bet, causing him to fold, I wouldn't have won any more money anyway.
 
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Lol you think kk/qq double barrel OOP on a board with an ace on it?
 
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So you guys don't like my flop bet eh? lol, it is a bit weird I know and in retrospect I prob should have 4-bet/shoved pre-flop as I knew he was 3-betting light.
As played though, the trouble is, if I call and then he bets the turn I wouldn't know whether it was a bluff or not. In fact, if he double-barreled I would put him on Ax/KK/QQ or even a set and I would probably fold. If he checks the turn and I bet, causing him to fold, I wouldn't have won any more money anyway.

Most of us used to think like this too. Thing is calling the flop bet keeps his bluffs in and hands we beat (the only way we can win money) and raising at any point simply achieves nothing at all. Raising flop is terrible because you just allow villain to play perfectly and fold his junk and take our money when he's ahead.

A lot of the time you call the flop or check it back in this spot,(if he checks to you dont bet out on the flop, same reason... will only get called by better hands usually.) On the turn if he bets big you can probably be sure you're beat and fold, if he doesn't which will happen a lot then you can usually bet and hope a weaker hand calls or a drawing hand and get more value, or you can check it back and hope he bluffs on the river or something, theres much more options for value this way and it is far more profitable than letting villain play perfect poker.
 
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Most of us used to think like this too. Thing is calling the flop bet keeps his bluffs in and hands we beat (the only way we can win money) and raising at any point simply achieves nothing at all. Raising flop is terrible because you just allow villain to play perfectly and fold his junk and take our money when he's ahead.

Hmmm, well put. I see what you mean. I'm pretty new to cash games, well, new to at least breaking even in them anyway :) Thanks for the input :D
 
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