$5 NLHE 6-max: Could I have stacked this guy?

$5 NL HE 6-max: Could I have stacked this guy?

I'm wondering if I should have put more money in earlier or more later?

Should I have put the money in the middle earlier?

I'm posting the results because I feel they may be relevant to the question.

Thanks!

Hero (SB): $8.21 (164.2 bb)
BB: $6.46 (129.2 bb)
MP1: $19.87 (397.4 bb)
MP2: $2.21 (44.2 bb)
CO: $5.55 (111 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with K K
MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, CO raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.55, 2 folds, CO calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.20) J K 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($1.20) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.25, CO calls $0.25

River: ($1.70) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50

Results: $2.70 pot ($0.18 rake)
Final Board: J K 8 2 7
Hero showed K K (three of a kind, Kings) and won $2.52 ($1.22 net)
CO mucked Q Q (a pair of Queens) and lost (-$1.30 net)

Why are we not cbetting this flop?
I realize we have top set but its not like we have the deck crippled or villains range doesnt hit that flop.
This flop hits a 88+,AJ+ flop pretty well, all his broadways have either a pair or a straight draw and there is a FDs there, i def cbet, like .80.

Checking the flop is ok from the perspective u can get stacks in by just betting 2streets but your tiny turn bet means its gonna be almost impossible to get stacks in, after your check the flop i bet like 1$-1.20 here.

River aswell i bet alot bigger.

i dont hate your line. Although I think we need to cbet the flop as it can have alot of draws that in villans range.

Your bets are way to small. 80c on the turn and like 1.90 on the river.

sindri_93 said:

Why are we not cbetting this flop?
I realize we have top set but its not like we have the deck crippled or villains range doesnt hit that flop.
This flop hits a 88+,AJ+ flop pretty well, all his broadways have either a pair or a straight draw and there is a FDs there, i def cbet, like .80.

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The nice thing about this wet flop is that a lot of the hands mentioned here call a flop bet. I cbet here 100% of the time.

QQ, unfortunately, probably folds - but such is life.

Bet or bet more on every street. This is 5nl, you will be called by all kinds of mind boggling garbage and they will call a LOT more than you think.

We didnt know what he had on the flop so a cbet probably would have been smarter, but i guess it worked out better because he had queens. Only way to stack him that I see would have been preflop if he raised your raise...

Yeah i'm cbetting the flop. This guy seems like a solid player though since he never raised you on any street so he might have folded the flop. Bets are waaaayyy too small. On the turn i at least bet 70 cents AT LEAST and the turn probably at least a dollar. There were some draws out there man you need to charge him for it if he's chasing

Oh my.....preflop is good. Gotta lead the flop, bet way more on turn, way more on river.

I think I would of checked the flop as well and bet .50c on turn and 1.25 on river, I think if you would of done what I would of done you would of got paid an extra buck. Or maybe you got max value of that player, but I think you played the hand well because you never know if he would of folded at any time. I guess you could have bet the flop, but who knows if he would of called or folded well played.

5TR8 FLUSH said:

I think I would of checked the flop as well and bet .50c on turn and 1.25 on river, I think if you would of done what I would of done you would of got paid an extra buck. Or maybe you got max value of that player, but I think you played the hand well because you never know if he would of folded at any time. I guess you could have bet the flop, but who knows if he would of called or folded well played.

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Not picking on you 5TR8 FLUSH, but this is why results shouldn't be posted in HA - if we don't know exactly what his holding is, we have to think about a range of hands to put Villain on. If we know what his holding is, the play looks correct - but I really think it's really really really not correct to check this flop unless we're confident Villain will bet behind, and we have no reason to think he will given the info provided.

So, what's he got? He open raised 3xbb pf and called a 3bet in position. I think Sindri's pretty much spot on in regard to what hands do this pf, and at this limit I'd add the possibility of a lot more suited broadway hands (KQ, KJ, QJ, QT, KT).

This flop smacks his range pretty hard. We've got big opportunities against TP, two pair, worse sets, flush draws, and straight draws - maybe even pp's TT+, but granted, that's much less likely.

Allowing the draws a free card here is criminal imo - not from a "protect my hand" standpoint, but because all of these hands will pay money to see a turn card. I think we generally underestimate the importance of this idea, that people will pay money in order to see if their hand that's currently behind will improve. When it doesn't improve, which is most of the time, that's money in Hero's pocket.

When we're ahead, we want to allow people to pay to see the turn, esp oop.

Steveg1976 said:

Bet or bet more on every street. This is 5nl, you will be called by all kinds of mind boggling garbage and they will call a LOT more than you think.

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Know what? I had that mindframe in mind the last couple sesions and I stacked a couple guys who called with unbelievable bad equity..like one pair....your right they will get involved in huge pots with mediocre hands!!

RAFC24 said:

Know what? I had that mindframe in mind the last couple sesions and I stacked a couple guys who called with unbelievable bad equity..like one pair....your right they will get involved in huge pots with mediocre hands!!

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Wildly fun, isn't it?

As said before in this thread.


BET THIS FLOP. It is wet enough that he will be calling a high % of the time.

Bet bigger on the turn. You wnat to get stacks in and by not betting you will not accomplish this.

Shove the river.

He may not call every time but so long as he calls some times, this becomes profitable.

I have to agree with the others on this hand. With a flop that has possible flush and straight draws, it would make sense to bet at least 75% of the pot amount. Playing hands slowly will cost you more in the long run on flops like these.

When I was looking at this from the villain perspective your play preflop definitely read like a pocket pair, but after the flop made it seem like your pocket pair was lower than a JJ, which is part of the reason why the value bets were called.

With the proper kind of flop coming out I think this style of play could make you some money, but eventually others will catch on to you and take advantage.

Steveg1976 said:

Bet or bet more on every street. This is 5nl, you will be called by all kinds of mind boggling garbage and they will call a LOT more than you think.

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Ditto.
When we hit a hand this big we make our bets as big as possible so we can stack off.

I think there is every chance this guy could have stacked off here.

RAFC24 said:

Flop: ($1.20) J

K

8

(2 players)

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You will see calls from:

AT - T9 - AQ - QT - Q9 - A9
K9 - KT - KJ - KQ
JT _ AJ - QJ - J9
89 - 78 - A8
AA - QQ - JJ - TT - 99 - 88
ANY two Diamonds!

The possibilities are endless! Bet Bet Bet and get that money in!
In future if slow-playing isn't the 100% obvious play just bet it! Slowplaying is mostly detrimental at micro stakes.

Deco said:

You will see calls from:

AT - T9 - AQ - QT - Q9 - A9
K9 - KT - KJ - KQ
JT _ AJ - QJ - J9
89 - 78 - A8
AA - QQ - JJ - TT - 99 - 88
ANY two Diamonds!

The possibilities are endless! Bet Bet Bet and get that money in!
In future if slow-playing isn't the 100% obvious play just bet it! Slowplaying is stupid.

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fyp

he will maybe pay all in preflop

ljove said:

he will maybe pay all in preflop

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Villain called Hero's 3bet in position pf.

at 5nl, you probably could have just pushed it preflop and got a call!

I would have c-bet the flop personally. As played you needed to bet more. If he had of been drawing you would have been giving him incredible odds.. and if he's willing to call down with Q's like he did, you'd assume he'd be willing to pay more than you charged him