$5 NLHE 6-max: Check/fold or check/call?

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem

BTN: 230 BB (VPIP: 16.79, PFR: 13.24, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 141)
SB: 97.6 BB
BB: 132.8 BB (VPIP: 24.12, PFR: 15.08, 3Bet Preflop: 1.28, Hands: 202)
UTG: 90 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 181 BB (VPIP: 17.33, PFR: 14.67, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 77)
Hero (CO): 134 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5♦A♦

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold

Flop: (10 BB, 3 players) A♥ K♠ T♠
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 7.2 BB

Can I ever call this bet against this villain? If I do I'm likely facing another barrel on the turn, and the only turn card that's good for me here is an A. Whats everyones thoughts?

PS I know I probably answered my own question, but just... ok...

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You have to call one here and calling blank turn too unless he bets 80%+ pot
 
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IPlay said:
You have to call one here and calling blank turn too unless he bets 80%+ pot
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Yep ok will do in future spots like this.

I like your tag line, coincidentally enough stumbled across a line similar today that has really stuck in my head.

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I like bet / folding more than c/c here just because I'd prefer to size the pot myself in these spots. It's not as likely you're getting multi streets of value from someone's bluff range in this spot MW. Maybe HU's you can get 2 streets as a a bluff catcher, but you'll make too many mistakes typically speaking if you don't just bet the hand. You'll get most of the same worse range to call that will bet, minus his bluffs. Kx, and pair and combo hands, pure flush draws.

When you c/c here and turn your hand into a bluff catcher, what if villain bets pot on the turn with complete air, or draw? Then you're just folding away the best hand too often when you don't know someone's barreling tendencies in this spot? I'm c/cing here only against bad aggressive opponents, or if I have some other reasonable history to do so. I'm typically betting about 6-6.5 on the flop.
 
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I was going to say that betting here is the better option, sure you are value owning yourself sometimes but you get value from draws and pairs with gutshots like J10 and KQ.

What are we doing when/if button floats us though? Bet again on blank turns and x/f rivers? x/c blank rivers?
 
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I see your points, and I think its something to consider once I hone my game a bit more. At my current level of experience I think Im going to make less mistakes by checking in these spots, so its my best option until I feel more comfortable with my post flop play
 
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Honestly, if you are going to play weak and passive and c/fold spots like this, you should probably switch to Full Ring for now. 6max is too aggressive and the blinds come too quick to play passive and pass up spots where you don't smash the flop.
 
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IPlay said:
Honestly, if you are going to play weak and passive and c/fold spots like this, you should probably switch to Full Ring for now. 6max is too aggressive and the blinds come too quick to play passive and pass up spots where you don't smash the flop.
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I do plan on check/calling these spots from now on per your advice. I did feel like check/folding this was way too passive, which is not where I want my game to go.

So are you saying that in some cases check/folding this in full ring is ok? Is that because the nits are paying less to see more hands so they can be more patient than in 6max? Therefore ill be encountering a lot more monsters or always be dominated in this situation?
 
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I meant that the mindset of not putting money in the pot without a big hand is more suited for full ring.

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Is that because the nits are paying less to see more hands so they can be more patient than in 6max? Therefore ill be encountering a lot more monsters or always be dominated in this situation?
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This has truth to it though.
 
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Fair enough. Thanks for the quick replies
 
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John A said:
I like bet / folding more than c/c here just because I'd prefer to size the pot myself in these spots. It's not as likely you're getting multi streets of value from someone's bluff range in this spot MW. Maybe HU's you can get 2 streets as a a bluff catcher, but you'll make too many mistakes typically speaking if you don't just bet the hand. You'll get most of the same worse range to call that will bet, minus his bluffs. Kx, and pair and combo hands, pure flush draws.

When you c/c here and turn your hand into a bluff catcher, what if villain bets pot on the turn with complete air, or draw? Then you're just folding away the best hand too often when you don't know someone's barreling tendencies in this spot? I'm c/cing here only against bad aggressive opponents, or if I have some other reasonable history to do so. I'm typically betting about 6-6.5 on the flop.
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not sure it could be put much better, its hard to say what to do after you give up initiative otf? nice post
 
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