$5 NLHE 6-max: Bluffing at $5nl

$5 NL HE 6-max: Bluffing at $5nl

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($4.66)
MP ($4.95)
CO ($2.97)
Button ($3.12)
SB ($5.54)
Hero (BB) ($5.17)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 , 7
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, CO checks, Button calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.35, UTG calls $0.30, 1 fold, Button calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.12) 8 , 8 , J (3 players)
Hero bets $0.75, 1 fold, Button calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.62) K (2 players)
Hero bets $4.07 (All-In), Button ($2.02 behind)....

Was new to the table, button's stats weren't exactly what I'd like to be barrelling into but it was a 6 hand sample so pretty much irrelivant.

Just wondering if people think this hand is super spewy or standard.

What better hands are we trying to fold out? I doubt any 8, J, or K is folding, maybe 99/TT?

I don't think we have a reason to think he's got a better hand at this point - I'd probably bet the turn small, say $1, to try and keep flush and straight draws in (heck, maybe even Ax) and given his stack size - or c/c turn and lead a blank river if he checks behind.

On the flop I thought his range (after calling) was mostly draws, very few 8's and some J's.

Honestly thought I could get rid of the J a reasonable amount of the time. I raised big pre-flop and then a K hit on the turn, if I don't have a big pocket pair then I must have AK or something, I actually expect a $5nl player to put me on a hand like this. If it was a tougher game I'm repping exactly what I've got and so my line would be terrible (i.e. called by any made hand and folding out all draws).

I guess it's not a pure bluff, since part of the reason for the turn shove is that if he calls the turn with a J he's also probably the kind of player that's going to call with the draw, basically I thought the turn shove was mandatory, whether it be termed a bluff or for value.

The only other alternative with this hand that I can see is to check and set mine. Once you raise pre-flop (which I think is the best way, most of the time), I think as long as you get two or fewer callers you've got to cbet like 100% of the time in this situation.

Oh, pf and the flop cbet I completely 100% agree w - pf is debatable a bit (I like the play over two limpers, but I know others won't), but not the flop. I'm expecting we're ahead the majority of the time on the flop and a decent amount of the time on the turn - and if he's on a draw, he's frequently going to give up on the turn even if the bet is smaller - if he's not, he'll probably shove the turn, and I don't think he's doing that with a worse hand than ours so I'm fine folding.

I play it the same but checkfold turn.
It's close either way. A marginal decision to say the least.

At the end of the day I think what makes my decision is that despite him having a ton of draws in his range the fact we aint far ahead off them because his draws will likely have 6outs in play from their overcards whilst any 8, 99-TT or Jack has us crushed.

I'm assuming in 6 handed play any pocket pair should be played agressively, but medium pair like that, I would limp along and do some set mining. Especially OOP.

2 other callers, I like the c-bet but in my experience, 2-card, 2 tone boards like this in micro stakes...they have something of a hand if they come along for the ride.

Turn is a spew in my opinion. you could have gotten yourt money in better. Its micro stakes he could put you on a strong hand or a pure bluff...and hel call with anything there, as you guys so often fondly remind me

Just my opinion.

I think raising 77 pre out of the big blind is pretty bad. The pair is so low that your going to be in an awful situation postflop unless you flop a set. Likely hood of 3 under cards is pretty low and with that many limpers your not going to get get heads up and 3 handed 77 plays poorly. Check the hand out of the big blind and set mine imo.

Deco said:

At the end of the day I think what makes my decision is that despite him having a ton of draws in his range the fact we aint far ahead off them because his draws will likely have 6outs in play from their overcards whilst any 8, 99-TT or Jack has us crushed.

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Like you say, it's a marginal spot - this and his stack size changed my mind to your c/f turn line, well reasoned imo.

I agree, check folding the turn would have been better.

I think raising 77 pre out of the big blind is pretty bad.

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You're right, mostly.
What makes this raise fairly standard (i.e. better than checking) is the limpers. The pre-flop raise is because everyone has shown weakness, there's a ton of money already in the pot which allows me to raise big and they've all invested 5c, they've got to call another 30c just to see a flop with a hand that was only worth limping. Basically looking to pick up the dead money but with that many limpers someone is going to call, however the chances of an overpair are slim (they limped) and their chance of hitting the board is pretty low too so I'll often have the best hand on the flop and a c-bet will usually take it down.
In this case the board was very draw heavy and had a low chance of made hands (J is a hell of a lot safer than a A or K, and 8's being paired helps a lot) which made the turn play a bit unclear.