$5 NLHE 6-max: Betting AJ for value on draw heavy board?

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This isn't an extremely exciting hand haha, but this seems to be a situation I run into alot....

My thinking was, by the river atleast, there was only a few Ax hands in his range that I can beat, seeing as A-K,Q,10,4,3 were all beating me, plus the straight and a worse two pair...I was just trying to get to showdown as cheaply as possible, but I'm sure I could of played this better

Edit: I didnt click show spots, but I was on the btn

full tilt poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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CO: $5.13
Hero (BTN): $5.59
SB: $4.44
BB: $12.28
UTG: $5.00

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with A J
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45) T A Q (3 players)
SB bets $0.40, BB folds, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.25) 4♠ (2 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

River: ($1.85) 3♦ (2 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10
 
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Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

CO: $5.13
Hero (BTN): $5.59
SB: $4.44
BB: $12.28
UTG: $5.00

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with A J
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45) T A Q (3 players)
SB bets $0.40, BB folds, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.25) 4♠ (2 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

River: ($1.85) 3♦ (2 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10


You'll probably get more responses if you convert the hand, so I decided to be nice today.

Honestly it looks a little weak, but I have to believe you're missing value somewhere here at 5nl against a random blind. I thinking a raise is in line somewhere in here, and his turn bet looks a little weak. We could extract some value by raising it up before we see the river.
 
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ya wow, I didn't even check back on this to realize it's not converted...tried out a new convertor instead of deucescracked and this is what i get haha


but yea, looking back on it, I think that a raise on the turn was correct
 
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I would raise the flop. Donk bets are weak most of the time and it is one of the flops you want to know where your at sooner. His turn and river bets are really weak and I would always raise those kind of bets. Some people try to get tricky with small bets when they have a monster, but a raise usually gives you an idea if thats the case.
 
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I would raise the flop. Donk bets are weak most of the time and it is one of the flops you want to know where your at sooner. His turn and river bets are really weak and I would always raise those kind of bets. Some people try to get tricky with small bets when they have a monster, but a raise usually gives you an idea if thats the case.

This. A straight or 2-pairs we expect to c/r here, just raise it and try to get stacks in on the turn
 
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Flatting flop is fine. Raising to "know where you're at" is retarded. Just raise the turn, because when he bets tiny you know where you're at.
 
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I was afraid that If I raise the turn and he 3 bets me on turn, then I dont think I can get it all in here? but I know that he's most likely going to just fold to a raise on turn. so I guess I just answered my own question...

edit: thanks for the fix cj
 
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I was afraid that If I raise the turn and he 3 bets me on turn, then I dont think I can get it all in here? but I know that he's most likely going to just fold to a raise on turn. so I guess I just answered my own question...

edit: thanks for the fix cj

Ask yourself how often people 3bet turns as bluffs? Answer: Pretty much never.

If he 3bets the turn you fold and don't worry about it because you had little chance of winning at SD anyway. Mostly though he calls the turn raise with his weaker TP hands and draws and you get more value. More value is good.
 
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Noone bets small so as to be able to 3bet your raise.

They 3bet small because they want to see a cheap SD.

You have to play your hand for value not simply to get to cheap SDs
 
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Ask yourself how often people 3bet turns as bluffs? Answer: Pretty much never.

If he 3bets the turn you fold and don't worry about it because you had little chance of winning at SD anyway. Mostly though he calls the turn raise with his weaker TP hands and draws and you get more value. More value is good.

Ya good point, didnt really think about that, I think I try to get to showdown cheaply too often.
 
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wow i just realized I quoted WVH, when I meant to quote you Stu....sorry bout that yea your right haha
 
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Before reading the thread, I call flop and raise turn.

His donk betting range here for me is 2-pair, pair and a draw or the straight. I'm assuming he's not a complete mentalist with no reads and I don't think he'd flat AK pre and probably not JJ, (but if he flat JJ it wouldn't affect our equity anyway).

That means:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.179% 57.04% 04.14% 492219616 35757146.00 { AJs }
Hand 1: 38.821% 34.68% 04.14% 299267308 35757146.00 { JJ-TT, AQs-ATs, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, AQo-ATo, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

His weak bet on the turn changes his range imo to more pair-draws or draws. We can comfortably raise (pot it) and make him pay for it. If he shoves on us then well played I fold.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 64.925% 59.44% 05.49% 325687812 30058808.00 { AJs }
Hand 1: 35.075% 29.59% 05.49% 162131852 30058808.00 { JJ, AJs, KTs+, QJs, JTs, AJo, KTo+, QJo, JTo }


Depending on how he plays the river and if you've seen him bluff, I can call a bet on a blank but I'm folding if pretty much any broadway comes and he leads big.
 
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