$5 NLHE 6-max: Bad c/r all-in with KK?

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$5 NL HE 6-max: Bad c/r all-in with KK?

full tilt poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 706834
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BB: $5.00
UTG: $12.50
MP: $5.37
CO: $14.63
BTN: $5.61
Hero (SB): $5.12

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with K K
1 fold, MP raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, Hero raises to $0.80, 2 folds, CO calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.95) A T 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.95, Hero raises to $4.32 all in, CO calls $2.37

Turn: ($10.59) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($10.59) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)


Villain is 57/14, fish. No real betting reads, as fairly new to table. Is c/r here OK?
 
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I would say bad. Only hands that call you have you beat (any ace for a fish like that I would think, or two pair+), while hands that you beat, pairs of tens or eights, will fold.
 
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Two spade board BTW, with two red kings.
 
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We will assume you are asking about your C/R on the flop, cuz you put yourself all in.

I say no. An A showed, I'm thinking you're screwed, same reasons as rssurfer.

I would then caution against the 'ALL-IN' state of mind that sometimes/often pervades the game these days, like everyone is out to be the next Gus Hansen or durrrrr or something. Ask yourself if it was an involuntary reaction move brought on by your interpretation of his 'numbers'. Remember even LAGS hit the flop occasionaly (oddly more often than I do).
Villains numbers do suggest he is in with sub prime cards, but those also suggest he could have hit his cards bigger than your KK.

Then again, if you had $$$ behind, and not short stacked the table to start with (I do the same thing btw), villain would have reason for concern, but to him, you represent an acceptable risk, and if he even hit 2nd pair or 3rd for that matter, he might be willing to gamble.

If anything, you probably should have exploited the short stack image up front by shoving PF.

Keep in mind I am a losing NLHE ring game player.
 
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Thanks for info, but max buy-in is 100BB, so I'm not shortstacked...
 
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since your the PFR(3 bettor) and your OOP i would c bet this flop vs 1 player. If he calls then id shut down. if he raises i might just fold it. hard to say with his stats cause you dont have any aggression stats included. he obvs a fish tho.

btw, i just moved up to uNL5 as well(at FT), maybe ill see you around if i can ever play a decent length of a session.
 
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What do you think his range is to call open from MP, 3bet from SB, and then bet full pot when checked to on the flop on a drawy board? I doubt fd's do this all that often at 5nl, esp fish (aggression stats would be helpful), unless it's a combo draw - and if it is a combo draw, we're not in great shape, though better than against a random A/set/two pair hand. All those hands are more likely imo than QQ/JJ/Tx.

Agree w the others that cbetting the flop is better than checking. I'd fold to any aggression fwiw, and shutdown if called like brank above.
 
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3-bet to $1 preflop. You really dont want a MW pot.

I would c-bet this rep the ace and see what he does.
If he calls then I'm giving up.

As is his raise is large so he probably has an ace, but you are wondering if he is bluffing you because you checked.

The c-bet gets a lot of folds plus gives you some info on his hand, the check under reps your hand and you get lost.
 
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Sly - knowing this guy, ATC if their connected in any way or suited. I've seen him show down with 95o after flopping the 9 and betting throughout, for example.

I didn't put him on an ace, so I figured check-raising might be the best way to get the money in the middle ASAP...

The reason I posted it was because it was something different to what I would normally do (I'd normally do what brank says)...:)

Brank, say hi if you see me at the tables, I'll be playing a lot more from Tuesday

And cheers for the good info Stu
 
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I think it's rare even for an aggrofish to take that line w a full psb on the flop, with that flop, without being able to beat TPTK fwiw...
 
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i would c bet on the flop half the pot, if he shows strenght, i fold.
 
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As soon as he calls preflop, I have to be concerned about a big ace... AQ, AJ, maybe AK. He may have a pocket pair. I'm not shoving the flop over the top of a pot sized bet. I'm probably folding there instead. Is there a surprise ending? Did he hit a set? 2 pair? At least an ace? Too many hands have you beat here. Even if you have the best hand, you were lucky. You can't do this and expect to win.
 
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