$5 NLHE 6-max: AQs 3bet pot crappy turn facing a shove

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Considering the hands that'd shove on this turn my thoughts are I'm very much beat. Opinions???

pokerstars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 98 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
BB: 65.2 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 14.12, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 454)
UTG: 169.2 BB (VPIP: 27.06, PFR: 21.18, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 174)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.80, PFR: 13.12, 3Bet Preflop: 7.59, Hands: 649)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.24, PFR: 15.48, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 178)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has As Qs
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop : (21 BB, 2 players) 3c Qd Ac
SB bets 20.2 BB, Hero calls 20.2 BB

Turn : (61.4 BB, 2 players) Kh
SB bets 67.8 BB and is all-in,
 
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Villain is obviously a fish judging by sizing and population, so we should not worry about balance and just look at our required equity. We don't know how bluffy he is so we must assume some bluffs in his range, let's say his shoving range is:AA,QQ,AQs+,JTs,KcQc,KcJc,QcJc,KcTc,QcTc,Jc9c,Tc9c,9c8c,AQo+
We have 36% and we need 34.4% to break even on a call, so we should call.
But if we remove the weakest bluff combo 9c8c then we have only 34% so we should fold.
So the truth is... it doesn't matter much if we fold or call here.
 
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My advice to you would be don't play in the 5nl fastfoward pool at partypoker. It's overly tough for 5nl.

As for the hand this is a call in my books. If we give villain a range of 33,QQ,AA,AQs+,AQo+,KQo,Kc10c+ we have 41% equity and his range may contain more hands.


Board: QdAc3cKh
Equity Win Tie
BU 41.42% 32.74% 8.68% { AsQs }
SB 58.58% 49.90% 8.68% { AA, QQ, 33, AQs+, KcQc, KcJc, KcTc, AQo+, KQo }






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Without any info on V and at these levels I’d assume them to be pretty nutted to do this a very high percentage of the time.

However their over bets are sometimes a giveaway to wanting to force you out of the hand.

As said above this is so close math wise that long term it’s probably about break even either way.

I ran it out like this;

PokerCruncher-Advanced-iphone V.10.1.2

(Equity, Win, Tie)
Player 1: 63.5% 54.0% 19.1% {JJ+, AQs+, AQo+}
Player 2: 36.5% 27.0% 19.1% [QdAs]

Board: [Ac Qh 3s Kd ?]
Deal To: River
Dead Cards: {}

Monte Carlo Simulation: 500000 trials

But I could have easily put at least KQ in V’s 3bvS range and even losing the (at this point) pure bluff jj you still have close to 40%.

I’d call.
 
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My 1st instinct is that you just ran into AK and to fold. However unknowns do try to take advantage of the certain amount of credit you have to give to unknowns especially in fast poker.
It's his bet sizing that reeks bluff.
Flop he tries to rep the high board and then just shoves to try and get you off the hand.

Think about how you would play a strong hand in the SB here. If you were trying to extract value with AS QQ AK would you bet pot pot? Or would you bet smaller to keep in weaker hands.
I don't think KK pots flop and we block AA QQ.
If I was betting for value here it would be 66-75% pot on the flop. Bet small on turn to keep them in and then shove.
When fast poker first came out we used to experiment with 3bet anything playable and pot the flop and turn, it was print money back then.
He could have anything here I would call.
 
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