$5 NLHE 6-max: Aqoff OOP

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888 Poker - $0.06 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $7.09 (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 27.08, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, hands: 55)
BTN: $6.00 (VPIP: 20.06, PFR: 12.62, 3Bet Preflop: 4.56, Hands: 668)
SB: $5.94 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 19.64, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 62)
Hero (BB): $7.21
UTG: $5.47 (VPIP: 43.75, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)

SB posts SB $0.03, Hero posts BB $0.06

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.09) Hero has A:diamond: Q:club:

fold, CO raises to $0.18, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.57, CO raises to $1.45, Hero calls $0.88

Flop: ($2.93, 2 players) 8:spade: A:club: K:heart:
Hero checks, CO bets $1.02, Hero calls $1.02

Turn: ($4.97, 2 players) J:spade:
Hero checks, CO bets $1.45, Hero calls $1.45

River: ($7.87, 2 players) 5:club:
Hero checks, CO bets $1.25, Hero calls $1.25

CO shows A:spade: A:heart: (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 92%, Flop 98%, Turn 91%)
Hero mucks A:diamond: Q:club: (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 8%, Flop 2%, Turn 9%)
CO wins $9.76
 
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I honestly dont like c4b pre, the sample is small to tell but his 3bet range is too low and AQo is crushed by it and you are OOP too, imo its fold to his 4bet, as played if you not planing to stackoff TPGK on flop you have no business calling 4b with AQo OOP, well maybe not stackoff but you need to have a plan with a hand like this if you dont wanna spew, first of all how good hand do we need to play it, do we wanna 2p+ hand or we are happy with gutshot draws or stuff, these are all hands that not likely will happen often so TPGK is most of the time the best we can hope for, in his 4b range he will have QQ+AK+ or even tighter with some bluffs maybe A5s TJs or stuff. his flop bet is really small, we can raise/fold to shove or call evaluate turn, but we dont wanna call 3 barrels like this, if we want to do that than we should flat pre not 3 bet and then play in in much smaller pot, you might also add a note that he bet small post flop with m\big hands, maybe its a sizing tell...
 
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Fold pre to 4 bet.

As stated above 3 bet% is very small (even though sample not huge) which indicates he doesn't have many, if any, 3 bet bluffs in his range. That would suggest he has pretty much no 4B bluffs either.

As a general rule at 5 NL, unless I have significant stats to say otherwise, I make the assumption 4 bets are just never light.

Your range is crushed here against any value 4b and if you dont think it is then I'm jamming rather than playing this hand OOP. Your gonna hit your A like 1/3rd of the time and even then you do not know if your good. AA and AK make up like half villains value 4 betting range and you going to struggle to get any further value from KK and QQ when the A hits on the flop.

3b is ok given villains stats but fold to 4b definitely best here.
 
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In the first place, you should have exited pre.

He is telling you he has those monsters but you didnt believe.

Postflop, I would have done the same.
 
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fold Pre, no way can you call 4Bets OOP.

1) you arent deep enough, (maybe 200-250 against an aggro then maybe)
2) its microstakes
 
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:dito: others re fold to 4bet pre .... unless specific history I guess but he has pretty solid tagish stats for 6max or at least not far above it.

If co were to make a propper turn bet would you have continued, or did you stick around on the turn looking for the river gutter? Given he 4-bet pre besides QQ you don't beat anything after the turn continuation and you having a Q can discount QQ.
 
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Reason why I called his 4bet was because I had an A and believed he didn't.
 
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Reason why I called his 4bet was because I had an A and believed he didn't.

But You're still dead to pretty much all hands in villains range which don't have an A, even by the turn. This hand is so spewy m8
 
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Reason why I called his 4bet was because I had an A and believed he didn't.
Even if that's true you're not going to get paid by worse when you do hit your Ace.
 
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After seeing the A K on the flop,i would fold to his bet.The villain got valid reason for the aggression imo.
 
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technically I was right he didn't have an Ace? he had 2 lol


Blunt but ppl are losing to this fish... Also ppl like putting chips in the middle with a fish so I don't mind.
 
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Reason why I called his 4bet was because I had an A and believed he didn't.

I'm interested to know what hands you think he 4 bets that don't have you crushed? If you obviously think it is more than AA KK QQ AK...? Even JJ your a slight under dog against and forced to play OOP with no idea where you are at in the hand, plus he never pays you off when you hit.
 
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1. I thought his betsizing was off which usually I smell something. And usually if something is strange it could've been a high chance a bluff.

2. I feel I could outplay him with most boards. *not sure I just feel my post flop play is strong*

3. I've been seeing some weird funky bluffs as well.. And really if you look at it I didn't lose that much because he is weak postflop? Other way around I would've got stacks... So in my sense i'm +EV and ppl see this and sense i'm a fish like c9 and then they stack me and I get my money back from this guy as well.


And thanks for the first reply Condeck, what you said is right. I respect all your comments and replies in other analysed hands.


C9 and his girlfriend above need a room and they have shown they are beneath most of us.
 
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i guarantee not just me an C9 view this hand as complete spew and riddled with mistakes. Accept you butchered the hand and learn from it, stop making excuses like "you thought he didn't have an A" and point 1 you just made in your latest post
 
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1. I thought his betsizing was off which usually I smell something. And usually if something is strange it could've been a high chance a bluff.

2. I feel I could outplay him with most boards. *not sure I just feel my post flop play is strong*

3. I've been seeing some weird funky bluffs as well.. And really if you look at it I didn't lose that much because he is weak postflop? Other way around I would've got stacks... So in my sense i'm +EV and ppl see this and sense i'm a fish like c9 and then they stack me and I get my money back from this guy as well.


And thanks for the first reply Condeck, what you said is right. I respect all your comments and replies in other analysed hands.


C9 and his girlfriend above need a room and they have shown they are beneath most of us.

1) Bet sizing pre (which is when you made your biggest mistake) looks pretty normal for these stakes and is usually for value, he has neither gone crazy with his raise nor clicked it back, they are 3x raises. Admittedly a regs 4 bet would probably be slightly more on the smaller side, like 2.5x so that he gets value on his bluffs and looks like he can still lay his hand down to a jam. This is insignificant here however as said earlier 4 bet bluffs just are not happening enough at 5NL for the call to be profitable. Bet sizing on the flop actually suggests a fish dying to be paid, i would say that if you never plan on folding this hand post flop when you hit your A then just check jamming the flop is higher EV (thought still prob EV-) when he bets the flop.

2) outplaying in 4 bet pots is just not happening, you have no room to CR other than for value and float leads are just getting called due to stack to pot ratio... ESPECIALLY by fish.

3) yes villain played it poorly imo but this is NEVER EV+... I would say this is a massive leak in your game and you would see your win rate increase by closing this. You still more or less lost a stack and will 80% of the time in this pot, the 20% you do win do not even come close to breaking you even.

If I thought I was ahead here I am jamming, but I don't think this is ever the case.

Glad you appreciate my comments and please do not take them as a personal insult, I am only looking to help you improve your game. In the above situation though your 4 bet call, call 3 streets on that board is a significantly losing play.
 
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I dont at all sir... i meant his post flop betting was weird .. i put note on him newayz so better than nothing
 
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i guarantee not just me an C9 view this hand as complete spew and riddled with mistakes. Accept you butchered the hand and learn from it, stop making excuses like "you thought he didn't have an A" and point 1 you just made in your latest post

Ofc i beyond butchered the hand i was taking the pss .. but ofc not all hands r perfect this was one i found during an upswing n i overextended or got too foolish .. took a break after this hand
 
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The only real mistake in the hand is the 4-bet call. But your "I had an A" thought process is spewtastic.

Sometimes you need detailed analysis. What you need now is someone to give you a reality check for just how bad that thought process was....


...Fish.
 
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I've very rarely seen a 5nl player who knows how to 4bet bluff, they are mostly still learning the game and not yet reached this stage. 4bets at this level are massively weighted towards value only JJ+ all of which crush AQ.
Also flatting this hand keeps in a bunch of aces that you dominate. Here you were always going to lose some money whatever way you played it but folding to the 4bet would have been the cheapest obviously.
 
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I've very rarely seen a 5nl player who knows how to 4bet bluff, they are mostly still learning the game and not yet reached this stage. 4bets at this level are massively weighted towards value only JJ+ all of which crush AQ.
Also flatting this hand keeps in a bunch of aces that you dominate. Here you were always going to lose some money whatever way you played it but folding to the 4bet would have been the cheapest obviously.


+1
 
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I say that never call a 4 bet preflop when you are OOP and you got AQo.
Your range is crushed here against any value 4bet and at microstakes there is 9/10 chance that is value bet.
Postflop is ok.
 
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I agree with everyone that the 4 bet was a mistake. But I think the biggest mistake was the thinking that villain might not have an A. Even if he had KK,QQ and JJ maybe even TT+, he was ahead of of you preflop. KK woul've hit a set on the flop and JJ a set on the turn. It is unlikely he has QQ since you have a Q. Worst hand he could have was AK which would've made 2 pair on the flop. AQ for a split. I'm all for post flop edge but your thought process is not based on a skill edge but hoping to get lucky and spike an A on the flop. It's the exact same thinking that bad players have when they call 3 bets and all ins with A6o or A7o. I'm not trying to insult you, but just pointing out that slight flaw in the thought process.

His bet sizing was small but not too small. It was big enough to get him all in by the river is he wanted to. his post flop may not be strong but he still manages to get $5.17 out of you in a 6NL game. That's as good as getting stacked
 
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-Call pre
-Probe bet 1/3 pot flop
-Bet 1/3 pot turn
-Bet 1/3 pot river

At any time if he re-raises I am folding my AQo. This line would have saved some $.

Would not have called his 4-bet pre, but I am guessing you know that by now.
 
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