Originally Posted by Aces2w1n
1. I thought his betsizing was off which usually I smell something. And usually if something is strange it could've been a high chance a bluff.
2. I feel I could outplay him with most boards. *not sure I just feel my post flop play is strong*
3. I've been seeing some weird funky bluffs as well.. And really if you look at it I didn't lose that much because he is weak postflop? Other way around I would've got stacks... So in my sense i'm +EV and ppl see this and sense i'm a fish like c9 and then they stack me and I get my money back from this guy as well.
And thanks for the first reply Condeck, what you said is right. I respect all your comments and replies in other analysed hands.
C9 and his girlfriend above need a room and they have shown they are beneath most of us.
1) Bet sizing pre (which is when you made your biggest mistake) looks pretty normal for these stakes and is usually for value, he has neither gone crazy with his raise nor clicked it back, they are 3x raises. Admittedly a regs 4 bet would probably be slightly more on the smaller side, like 2.5x so that he gets value on his bluffs and looks like he can still lay his hand down to a jam. This is insignificant here however as said earlier 4 bet bluffs just are not happening enough at 5NL for the call to be profitable. Bet sizing on the flop actually suggests a fish dying to be paid, i would say that if you never plan on folding this hand post flop when you hit your A then just check jamming the flop is higher EV (thought still prob EV-) when he bets the flop.
2) outplaying in 4 bet pots is just not happening, you have no room to CR other than for value and float leads are just getting called due to stack to pot ratio... ESPECIALLY by fish.
3) yes villain played it poorly imo but this is NEVER EV+... I would say this is a massive leak in your game and you would see your win rate increase by closing this. You still more or less lost a stack and will 80% of the time in this pot, the 20% you do win do not even come close to breaking you even.
If I thought I was ahead here I am jamming, but I don't think this is ever the case.
Glad you appreciate my comments and please do not take them as a personal insult, I am only looking to help you improve your game. In the above situation though your 4 bet call, call 3 streets on that board is a significantly losing play.