$5 NLHE 6-max: AQ against a shortstack

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $5.26 (VPIP: 24.11, PFR: 17.73, 3Bet Preflop: 6.00, hands: 294)
BB: $2.00
UTG: $5.23 (VPIP: 39.13, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 71)
MP: $1.81 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: $6.69 (VPIP: 30.08, PFR: 20.30, 3Bet Preflop: 10.64, Hands: 140)
Hero (BTN): $5.55

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A:diamond: Q:club:

fold, MP calls $0.05, fold, Hero raises to $0.22, fold, fold, MP calls $0.17

Flop: ($0.51, 2 players) 2:spade: 6:spade: 5:diamond:
MP checks, Hero bets $0.36, MP calls $0.36

Turn: ($1.23, 2 players) 5:spade:
MP checks, Hero bets $0.88, MP calls $0.88

River: ($2.99, 2 players) 9:spade:
MP bets $0.35 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.35


Felt even tho we missed, until the river thought I could be good here a lot of the time. 35 cents meh had to see.
 
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x/back flop and probably fold to any bets from villain. Bad board to cbet.
 
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Check back turn. The board hasn't changed, and if he called the flop bet, it's not too unlikely he's going to continue. He might have even called with A/K high and is now calling the turn bet to redraw to the flush. Too many hands can call your turn bet.
 
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I don't mind c betting these low boards with overs as it misses a huge chunk of his range and a lot of people will just give up. You can make it smaller though, say around 27-28c and still get just as many folds.

Just check back turn and take the free card once he calls the flop bet, if you spike a pair call a bet on the river otherwise just give up/check back.
 
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Don't like this donk beting on turn, but you have position, villain can call your hand with wide range of hands, so you played well.
 
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EXCUSE ME the best line is x/flop and maybe bet/fold turn , river give up
 
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the C-bet looks completely fine however, I don't like the bet on the turn what would you do if he raises? You probably have to fold then. If you check the turn behind you can make a decision on the river if you want to call his bet, depending on the betsize. If he checks you can just check behind and can expect to win the hand a large percentage of the time.
 
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Semi bluff??

Semi bluff? You are drawing dead against any flush, 66, 55, 22, 65, 43. Hard for you to be semi bluffing this turn. If you have the As then maybe bet turn. I just think this whole hand is spew, even the flop bet.
 
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Semi bluff? You are drawing dead against any flush, 66, 55, 22, 65, 43. Hard for you to be semi bluffing this turn. If you have the As then maybe bet turn. I just think this whole hand is spew, even the flop bet.

What's the reason you're not cbetting this type of flop?

Edit. Just had a look in HEM for cbet success on low 2 tone connected flops and it is about 50% until the highcard on the flop gets to an 8 which is where it drops. This is however only over a fairly small sample
 
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I don't mind the flop bet, sometimes. He's going to fold a lot of over cards but don't need to bet so big. On the turn its definately check/fold. Players are so sticky at this level that they're just gonna call you with any pair. And the river, you just have 35c away for free
 
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What's the reason you're not cbetting this type of flop?

Edit. Just had a look in HEM for cbet success on low 2 tone connected flops and it is about 50% until the highcard on the flop gets to an 8 which is where it drops. This is however only over a fairly small sample

Villain started the hand with 36bb and limp called from MP. His calling range has us in pretty bad shape and he is never folding better and can jam over our cbet with a lot of bluffs where we can't call. It is also very hard to double barrel and get a villain like this to fold. We also have no spade in our hand which means villain has all flush draws and we have no backdoor equity that we can jam on turns.

I just think there is much better hands to cbet this flop with and better villains to cbet this flop against.
 
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bluf of fold you must can fold any hand
 
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".35 cents meh had to see" pretty much sums it up. I am at the micro level too, it's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. You may want to reevaluate that outlook, if you saw this occasion to have that kind of attitude you have to ask yourself when is .35 cents not a meh had to see moment? Isn't the diff between a casual player who dumps a couple bucks in a few games and a player who wants to be more than that the attitude they have on each and every single hand? .35 cents at the micro's is equivalent to $7-$20 at low stakes level. Just something to think about if you're not a casual player and want to be more. Also something to think about if ya want to be teachable. If not, then as you were.
 
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Sooo, I say standard 3.5XBB bet pre for .17 or so, check post sense I missed and I am IP and want to see a free card, turn villain checks so not a bad place to bluff at it for 1/3 of the pot. If he calls the turn bet and bets like he does on the river I am folding.
 
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Cbet is fine (for value mostly).

After this, what hands are calling flop and folding turn that you beat? (bluff)
OR, what hands are calling flop and calling turn that you beat? (value)

I think the answer to both of those questions is almost 0. The 5s smacks his calling range, right? Spade draws get there, 6s aren't going anywhere, and 5's definitely aren't going anywhere. Sure, he doesn't have many 6s or 5s, but he's not even folding 33 to a double barrel here (I wouldn't). The 5 makes it a much worse board for the bluff.

Also, let's imagine he peeled once with A9, KJ, or QJ. Is he going to peel again? Probably not (barring a high spade maybe).

I really don't think a double barrel accomplishes much here.
 
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".35 cents meh had to see" pretty much sums it up. I am at the micro level too, it's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. You may want to reevaluate that outlook, if you saw this occasion to have that kind of attitude you have to ask yourself when is .35 cents not a meh had to see moment? Isn't the diff between a casual player who dumps a couple bucks in a few games and a player who wants to be more than that the attitude they have on each and every single hand? .35 cents at the micro's is equivalent to $7-$20 at low stakes level. Just something to think about if you're not a casual player and want to be more. Also something to think about if ya want to be teachable. If not, then as you were.

Good advice. Even at these stakes if you say "meh .35 cents to see it" once a session over a year where you play lets say 300 sessions. That comes out to $105 or 21 buy ins that you will lose due to this.

I don't get it, do you guys think villain is going to float with K high and A high holdings WITHOUT a flush draw? That is the only way we can cbet for value here. (even then it is thin) Now if we are betting flop as a semi bluff that is different and semi bluffing short stacking fish usually ends up unprofitable at these stakes.
 
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Yeh cbet here is never for value, just as a semibluff. Good point about the stack sizes, even if we make a hand on the turn there is not much value to be had...
 
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It wasn't like a throwijng 35 cents away it was more like. I got the odds to call? I'm worse for even considering folding to the 35cent because there is always a slightl chance theres a bluff?

I've been in hands in the past where I thought there was no way I was winning the hand and it went my way.
 
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The call on the end is not bad as we only have to be right about once every 10 times for it to be a correct call. As usual the mistakes are earlier in the hand which compound on every street to turn a small mistake on the flop into a big mistake by showdown.

If you look at the odds and think you will be right enough of the time to make the call that is fine. However if you are just saying meh lets have a look, that is a mistake.
 
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".35 cents meh had to see" pretty much sums it up. I am at the micro level too, it's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. You may want to reevaluate that outlook, if you saw this occasion to have that kind of attitude you have to ask yourself when is .35 cents not a meh had to see moment? Isn't the diff between a casual player who dumps a couple bucks in a few games and a player who wants to be more than that the attitude they have on each and every single hand? .35 cents at the micro's is equivalent to $7-$20 at low stakes level. Just something to think about if you're not a casual player and want to be more. Also something to think about if ya want to be teachable. If not, then as you were.
I don't think this is that big of a leak.

We're calling .35 cents, but it's to obtain a 3.34$ pot. That means that in the long run, we only need to beat him a little more than 10% of the time for this call to be profitable.
Players in the micros often try outrageous bluffs on scare cards and on the river if they miss a draw.

I don't think calling this river as played is that big of a leak, so his "meh" mentality is not that bad in this case, imo.


Edit: all this has been said before. Well, that'll teach me to immediately quote and reply instead of first reading the rest of the thread... :p
 
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I didn’t say it was a big leak, I said if this is his overall mentality he may want to reevaluate it, just giving him something to consider is all.
 
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I would cbet the flop, check the turn, then fold to the river donk bet. Some situations I might cbet the turn, but he has to have made a flush or pair by the river, you really only beat a bluff, right?


Don't like this donk beting on turn, but you have position, villain can call your hand with wide range of hands, so you played well.

A donk bet is when you bet out of turn, or lead into the previous streets aggressor. Since OP was the preflop raiser(aggressor), and Cbetter., there was no donk bet made until the river. MP made a donk bet on the river. Hero made a cbet on the turn.
 
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