$5 NLHE 6-max: Am I correct shoving the flop?

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4


Hero (CO): 195.2 BB
BTN: 82.6 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, hands: 4)
SB: 107.2 BB (VPIP: 27.55, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 99)
BB: 114.2 BB (VPIP: 22.02, PFR: 15.90, 3Bet Preflop: 8.47, Hands: 337)
UTG: 116.8 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.95, PFR: 14.63, 3Bet Preflop: 3.17, Hands: 511)


SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K


UTG calls 1 BB, MP raises to 4 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, BTN calls 10 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP raises to 29.6 BB, Hero calls 19.6 BB, BTN calls 19.6 BB


Flop: (91.2 BB, 3 players) 9 3 9
MP bets 28.4 BB, Hero raises to 165.6 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 53 BB and is all-in, MP calls 42 BB and is all-in


Turn: (285 BB, 3 players) 2


River: (285 BB, 3 players) 5

Am I correct to shove the flop, should I fold or just call? My thought process was that in a three-way pot like that I kind of feel so committed that I don't know if I can just call and fold if BTN shoves or fold the turn. So I thought if I cannot fold, better shove myself.


What do you think?
 
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$5 NLHE 6-max: Am I correct shoving the flop?

Why are we calling pre? We can’t be calling almost a third of the effective stack pre in the hope to hit a set. We don’t want to go three ways either if possible.

MP V 4B is pretty nutted but I’d assume this is possible with AA, KK, QQ AKs. I’d expect to see aces a lot here if we 5B/shove but we can see enough QQ and overplayed AKs to gii. I don’t think the micros is the place to complicate KK pre. We have an odd player calling from pos too who might just call 88+ AQ. And if a loose player slow played AA in a multiway 4B pot then they’re likely to ship chips around long term.

The times we shove and see AA we can smirk and move on knowing that in time these spots will even out. We’ll have the reverse plenty that’ll be paid off.

I went through my worst spell last month with KK being beaten by AA and became quite sensitive to it, and they’re are some rare V’s we can predict enough to make a fold.

On the flop we need to know what we do when we’re overpair and what to do when an overcard hits. We simply can’t afford to call purely to hit a set. SPR is so low here.

The question is do we ever not gii pre with KK AT NL5?
 
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KK is a standard 5bet 100bb shove.As played flop raise is overplay and this is WA/WB so calling down gets the money in the pot in better shape.
 
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Seems like your call preflop was because you didnt want to fold out all worse hands, to get more value later. [Or you were scared of AA from the cold call of your 3-bet?]

Seems reasonable, but I think the right play is to 4-bet shove, because your stack is already invested and its better to take the dead money down than play KK multiway. If someone has aces its just a cooler.
 
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He's 3 betting only 3% of his range so what is he 4 betting? KK+ probably so you can definately make a tight fold pre but I'd never say its wrong to not fold KK pre but I'd shove or fold.
 
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MP's 3x 4bet vs a 3bet and a caller(BtN) in front of him, he has AA, KK.

Maybe...... MAYBE, AKs, but fairly little possibilities for this.

You are massively underdog vs an AA, KK range. Underdog even vs an AA, KK, AK range.

Shoving pre in order to go HU with MP or calling in order to turn KK to a setmining hand if you think you are nearly 100% against AA,KK, I consider both good options. Folding pre wouldn't be a mistake too.

*Huge mistake from me. It's a 4bet spot. Of course there is no "setmining". Either shove or fold pre.
 
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Thanks for all the replies!! I have to be honest, in the heat of the moment, I didn't check the 3bet stat. Pretty huge leak since I do have a HUD. :(:(
But I am still a noob and that's what the micros are for: learning from mistakes.

MP had indeed AA - I could definitely have folded since it really looked like aces and anyway, as some pointed out, at BEST I would flip vs AK... But probably not even 10 minutes before I went all in pre KK vs AA. What are the odds? Apparently enough!


BTN called all-in with QQ


What a dealer :eek::eek:
 
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