$5 NLHE 6-max: AK vs turn donkshove

UTG unknown
BB: 21/18/38hands
with BB still left to act it's a std fold on turn yeah?

IPoker, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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BB: $13.08 (261.6 bb)
UTG: $5.50 (110 bb)
Hero (MP): $6.98 (139.6 bb)
CO: $2.01 (40.2 bb)
BTN: $6.05 (121 bb)
SB: $3.82 (76.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A K
UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.25, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.77) K J 7 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.45, BB calls $0.45, UTG calls $0.45

Turn: ($2.12) 7 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $4.75, 2 folds

Its a hard decision, limp call pre plus a flat on the flop. I wouldn't put him on a seven purely because how can he call the flop with bottom pair against two players. I would also rule out AA,KK,JJ, as he would of raised pre plus you have blockers. That leaves KJ in my opinion... hard decision but in just don't understand his line, he gets worse hands to fold and better hands to call. Is he playing like a donk? Any hand history on him? Possible flush draw also if he is playing crazy.

he limp/calls pre so he's a fish and he can easily have a 7 or all sorts of hands, nope no history only 5 hands

Hard to say, your bet seems ok on the flop. Two players make check/call. I agree, KJ is possible, on the turn it seems like opponent try to protect hand. Besides possible is also AK and maybe trap here with this hand, so why he limps pre flop? Finally, I don't see escape here, sorry guys, but I risk and make a call. Take care

looking at this i could put him on anything from J K TO A 7 i whould be folding here myself knowing hes a fish

Any info/ stats?

Bet more on the flop. This is 5nl right? Your bet sizing needs to increase a lot because you're just missing tons of value. You have a lot of opponents who are going to call so many worse hands more than they should. Your best sizing looks like you're playing 600nl.

i generally make it 1/2pot in 3bet pots vs (semi)regs, here I made it bigger because there was the fish. So are you saying I should try to v-bet bigger even against regs 2way, more than 1/2pot? They probably aren't gonna exploit that...

This isn't a 3-bet pot, but yes, in general you should increase your sizing. Where did you get the info/ideas on your bet sizing. Was it a training site, or material online somewhere? Just curious.

Oh yeah I got confused cos I was talking about a different 3bet hand as well. So how do you create the sizing in 3bet pots? I just think it's a good std sizing in 3bet pots to balance our range, don't know where i got it from though

You got it from somewhere, but I'd purge it all out of your head honestly. You're playing 5nl. You don't need to focus on balancing. How many relevant notes do you have on your opponents that will help you understand how they are balancing their ranges?

You need to focus on exploitative play. Your opponents primary weakness is going to be that they call too much with second best hands. They play too many hands pre-flop. You exploit that by betting larger, and getting more value from your hands that connect. You're probably losing 4bb+/100 by sizing your bets like this, and worrying about how to balance your range.

When you get up to 200nl, then you can put more work into this area, but right now you're just losing money.

Yes would like to know his stats. That line doesn't make a lot of sense. Generally a strong made hand would raise the flop when it looks like it hit hero's range hard. Or villain would check raise the turn.

Calling then overbetting the turn looks silly to me.

Maybe he really IS a moron with a 7. Or maybe it's a hand like QsJs and he's pickd up a flushed draw.

blueskies said:

Yes would like to know his stats. That line doesn't make a lot of sense. Generally a strong made hand would raise the flop when it looks like it hit hero's range hard. Or villain would check raise the turn.

Calling then overbetting the turn looks silly to me.

Maybe he really IS a moron with a 7. Or maybe it's a hand like QsJs and he's pickd up a flushed draw.

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I'd wager on the former. Fold this hand

His line of betting and him playing extreme micro stakes poker all adds up to me to mean that he didn't really have a plan for this hand, isn't likely a strong player. He very easily could have had a king or a seven. But I think folding is the correct play. More often than not he has the 7. Just be glad that he went full retard and bet all the way into you rather than sat back and let you bet into him.

John A said:

Any info/ stats?

Bet more on the flop. This is 5nl right? Your bet sizing needs to increase a lot because you're just missing tons of value. You have a lot of opponents who are going to call so many worse hands more than they should. Your best sizing looks like you're playing 600nl.

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John, if he bets bigger doesnt he lose value by not allowing worse hands to call? I mean smaller sized bets make worse hands call more than big ones do. Just from my personal experience.

bet 65on the flop. there are lots of hands that are going to call a bet here, and the difference between 45c and 65c is irrelevant to rec players. no 5nl fish is going to fold Kx. QT. hell, most wont fold weird gutters like 98, T9, T8s to any flop bet, let alone one under the pot.

turn is a sigh fold

you also want to make sure youre betting a lot more when you flop big hands when the pot is multiway.

vinylspiros said:

John, if he bets bigger doesnt he lose value by not allowing worse hands to call? I mean smaller sized bets make worse hands call more than big ones do. Just from my personal experience.

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No. Basically what JC said. No Kx or Jx is folding if you bet .60 or .65 vs .45 ever. Draws, gutters, even bottom pair may be calling. So you want to maximize value against those kinds of opponents. You're losing 3-4 bbs on the flop here, and then that grows exponentially each street if you size your bets poorly. It adds up fast, and when you make big hands, like TPTK+, you need to make sure you're extracting max value.

It's hard to believe hands like this but also if you don't have too much reads on your opponent I believe you just have to believe him and fold. If it's a bad fold so be it he'll eventually overbet you when your even stronger.

When you do get reads and you see people bluffing these spots... Shoving sometimes sorts it out, sure if he calls and your beat... But now it all depends how often your opponents decide to make you fold and you need to know your table image.

I'm a tight folder sometimes and shoving when being raised against regs is optimal. Which sounds crazy but I seem to make money from it... Not saying I do it often but it's diff and gets rid of the regs who like to raise big on draws which your opponent may have.

i think he got luck with his 67 or 78 there i would fold and catch him later, his line is so uncansistant so i haver to fold there i saw alot of fishes pushing when they hit big i guess he is one of those.