$5 NLHE 6-max: AK preflop line check

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poker stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2176351
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Hero (CO): $9.14 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 3.6, hands: 384501
BTN: $7.19 - VPIP: 71, PFR: 48, 3B: 67, AF: 10.0, Hands: 21
SB: $8.21 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 1.0, Hands: 301
BB: $11.43 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 1.9, Hands: 315
UTG: $13.47 - VPIP: 35, PFR: 1, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 153
MP: $12.02 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 20, 3B: 6, AF: 3.1, Hands: 337

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with A
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K
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1 fold, MP raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, BTN raises to $0.80, 3 folds, Hero raises to $9.14, BTN calls $6.39 all in

Flop: ($14.60) J
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Q
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8
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(2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($14.60) 2
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(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($14.60) 3
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(2 players - 1 is all in)

Flatting to induce good here?

Villain 5-bet shoved A9s into me earlier.
 
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4b/call > 4bshove 140bbs eff.

thought process is good though.
 
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Ye very nice line, however I wouldn't shove it I would just 4 bet it standard, seems like you are scared of playing A/K OOP incase A or K misses.
 
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I'm shoving everytime, because villain is calling every time.
 
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what evidence do we have of this?
 
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Villain 5-bet shoves A9s with no information on me or my tendencies. You think he will fold to our line here with decent holdings?
 
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Villain 5-bet shoved A9s into me earlier.

never said he folds anything decent, but that relies on us 'coolering' him.

from above it seems villain spews, so 4bet/call allows him to spazz instead of seeing 71/14 and 4bet shoving without a 2nd thought.
 
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Hmm. Good point. Part of my decision to shove is that I can't seem to win this month, and have been playing terrible so to try and avoid variance that would come from flatting I shoved. I figured rather than call and miss the flop 2/3rds of the time I could shove and I'm ahead of him almost all the time. I wouldn't mind flatting and calling down some boards with A high but vs this guy we can't assign him a range so playing OOP and most likely facing 3-barrels no matter what board comes out doesn't appeal to me. I would rather just GII ahead preflop.
 
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we aren't flatting his squeeze here with AK.

its viable, but if he 5bets A9s vs us then 4bet snap is obv the best line by loaddddddddddds
 
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its viable, but if he 5bets A9s vs us then 4bet snap is obv the best line by loaddddddddddds
Saying two actions (5-betting, or 4-bet/calling) that yield the same result 99% of the time (getting all in pre) is better by LOLLOOOADDDSS kinda makes you sound retarded.

...but if the shoe fits....
 
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You're pretty obnoxious. If we read the line you removed from his post you're quoting we can see that he's talking about flatting the squeeze, which does not result in getting it in 99% of the time or even 1% of the time, given that it closes the action.
 
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Argh, yeah that would be my bad.
 
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Saying two actions (5-betting, or 4-bet/calling) that yield the same result 99% of the time (getting all in pre) is better by LOLLOOOADDDSS kinda makes you sound retarded.

...but if the shoe fits....

did you just call me retarded?

wow.

why does 4b shoving yield the same result as 4b/calling, he doesn't get in the same range ever.. you haven't played poker in years I swear, you're not in a spot to give opinions anymore, you're irrelevant gtfo please
 
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you haven't played poker in years I swear, you're not in a spot to give opinions anymore, you're irrelevant gtfo please
3 months. But you know, live poker and all that.
 
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whatever, I still don't see how 21 hands give us reason to believe villain will squeeze snap off AJ to a reshove pre, as opposed to 5b shipping light which we have proof of.

if he 5b shoves a wider range than he calls off then 4b/call is better? its not hard.

fair enough it might not be by loads, but its still the better line.

its ok, keep calling people retarded though.
 
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if he 5b shoves a wider range than he calls off then 4b/call is better? its not hard.
What else happens when we 4-bet small (hint, he can flat and cause us to put money in bad later). Besides, maniacs pretty much never squeeze/fold. You've played with them before, you know how they are.

So we've got a choice. Shove, have him never fold, be happy. Or we can 4-bet small, have him call sometimes and shove on us when the flop is 29Qtt, and we have to do fun things like think about whether we're getting odds to call with bare AK (we probably are, but its not super easy).
 
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its probably closer than I made it out to be earlier, I still think 4b/calling given OP's reads is better but apparently neither of us are gonna knuckle.

if OP stuggles post flop then fine, shove or flat.
 
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TBH I probably wasn't gonna fold postflop on any board, how can I when villain is a spazzer?


Well, he showed up with KQ. Either line is viable when I think about it now, but I hated the prospect of letting him flat a 4-bet IP.
 
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