$5 NLHE 6-max: AJ top pair vs a raise

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 60/10/1

I only have 10 hands on villain.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 106.8 BB
UTG: 50.4 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (BTN): 100 BB

BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1 BB) Hero has A:club: J:spade:

UTG calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, UTG calls 3 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 2 players) J:diamond: 3:spade: T:spade:
UTG checks, Hero bets 7 BB, UTG raises to 14 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

Turn: (37 BB, 2 players) 5:club:
UTG bets 32.4 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 32.4 BB

River: (101.8 BB, 2 players) 4:diamond:
Hero checks
 
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Pre flop raise is good.

The lead on the flop is good when villain min raises us this is going to be strong a lot. I feel like most players will check raise more as a bluff and pull the mini raise with their strong holdings. That being said, we have no info on villain and there is a chance that they will be raising a flush draw. I flat and will evaluate the turn.

When villain shoves the turn they either losing their minds or they have it. I fold here. If villain is tilting and shove happy we will have a chance to get the chips in another hand when we have more information. If villain is serious then we are crushed.
 
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Have you considered fold the turn?
 
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Yes I considered it. I notice people in the micros shoving with much weaker hands than TPTK so I made the call, but I should wait until I know if villain is that type before I make a call like that.
 
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call is fine here for 50 biebers against a fish. unlucky, nh
 
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Pre flop bet is good. For UTG to min from early and call 4bb raise instantly puts my mind in small pocket pair thinking. When Board comes out 10 J 3, I would be worried about pocket 3's. With his check raise on flop. I would proceed with caution but call. The shove on the Turn would be it for me until I have more information on UTG with it being a half my stack call.
That being said, my gut would be telling me that I probably folded the best hand.
 
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Pre flop bet is good. For UTG to min from early and call 4bb raise instantly puts my mind in small pocket pair thinking. When Board comes out 10 J 3, I would be worried about pocket 3's. With his check raise on flop. I would proceed with caution but call. The shove on the Turn would be it for me until I have more information on UTG with it being a half my stack call.
That being said, my gut would be telling me that I probably folded the best hand.

you acknowledge that the only combo we should be scared of is 33, and you still want to fold?

a fish wants to get it in for not even a full stack. tptk good.

if you think that hero should fold the turn, then you should actually think that hero should fold to raise on the flop. stupid to call the flop raise if youre going to fold to a shove on the turn. but, were never folding on the flop now are we, because we know that were good here way too much of the time.
 
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you acknowledge that the only combo we should be scared of is 33, and you still want to fold?

a fish wants to get it in for not even a full stack. tptk good.

if you think that hero should fold the turn, then you should actually think that hero should fold to raise on the flop. stupid to call the flop raise if youre going to fold to a shove on the turn. but, were never folding on the flop now are we, because we know that were good here way too much of the time.

I like actually like this reasoning^^^

We should be taking notice of villains stack and thinking on the flop that it's highly unlikely that villain won't be getting all in by the river, if we think we are good then we should be going for it on the flop... Just ship it in over his min bet???

I play a lot of these spots as I stated before; I will fold and get a few more hands on villain to ascertain their mental state kind of, then decide to stack off light or not in a later hand. I'm not sure if this is fishy though and that maybe I should just be assuming that most players are bad (especially sitting with 1/2 a stack) and just stack it off here first time.
 
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Well at least a couple different people now have reaffirmed that raising AJ 3 handed on the button is in fact ok. One less thing to debate amongst ourselves. :)
 
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Guy looks ubber fishy and there's lots of second best hands ubber fish could play this way including a lot of worse J's. Yes, the min check raise is a lot of times strong versus donks or weak opponents, but there's still enough equity here to be getting in versus his stack size. I like the flop call and shove, or call safe turns. Again, I'd raise more in position against donks like this. Why not get more money in when you're in position against a fish? They will still call if you bump it another 1BB.

Looks good... nh.
 
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I like actually like this reasoning^^^

We should be taking notice of villains stack and thinking on the flop that it's highly unlikely that villain won't be getting all in by the river, if we think we are good then we should be going for it on the flop... Just ship it in over his min bet???

I play a lot of these spots as I stated before; I will fold and get a few more hands on villain to ascertain their mental state kind of, then decide to stack off light or not in a later hand. I'm not sure if this is fishy though and that maybe I should just be assuming that most players are bad (especially sitting with 1/2 a stack) and just stack it off here first time.

It is the only reasoning. Villain is a huge fish. Of course they will come out sometimes with 2 pairs or a set but most of the time a worse J or a stupid draw. Get it in on the flop and be happy.
 
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It is the only reasoning. Villain is a huge fish. Of course they will come out sometimes with 2 pairs or a set but most of the time a worse J or a stupid draw. Get it in on the flop and be happy.

Just so I'm clear, do we know that villain is a fish due to the fact that they are sitting with 50bb? or because they have a VPIP of 60 over ten hands? Because IMO a VPIP of 60 over ten hands in a 3 handed game is not really info to assume they are fishy.

Or are we just assuming that all unknown villains at 5nl are fish?
 
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Just so I'm clear, do we know that villain is a fish due to the fact that they are sitting with 50bb? or because they have a VPIP of 60 over ten hands? Because IMO a VPIP of 60 over ten hands in a 3 handed game is not really info to assume they are fishy.

Or are we just assuming that all unknown villains at 5nl are fish?

Because he's sitting short, and has a huge VPIP/PFR gap an no 3-betting. The VPIP gap isn't likely to normalize even if we had 200 hands on him. It will likely stay a bad ratio.
 
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It is only 10 hands. But there are some general rules to spot the fish early. You cannot w8 for others to take his money first. Even the HEM HUD rates him immediately as a fish. Short stack, the fact that he called/limped 5 times and raised only once, calls 4BBs to play OOP in this hand. These are strong reasons to think he is one of the worse players out there.
 
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I have no problem getting it in on the flop against a 60/10 even if it is only a 10 hand sample, he probably gets this in with a lot of second best hands.
 
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awesome, thanks guys, I may be missing opportunities by waiting too long to really know if a fish is a fish. I won't hesitate next time.
 
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I'm not really sure when I last had a 10 hand stretch where I was 60/10 or which president was in office at the time.
 
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