$5 NLHE 6-max: Aces reraised on a flop

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Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $5.00 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 4.5, hands: 226
Seat 2: Player2 ( $5.00 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 11, 3B: 3, AF: 0.8, Hands: 92
Seat 3: Player3 ( $5.07 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 1.0, Hands: 153
Seat 4: Player4 ( $5.00 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 13, 3B: 1, AF: 1.6, Hands: 192
Seat 5: Hero ( $6.18 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 14, 3B: 7, AF: 1.9, Hands:
Seat 6: Player6 ( $12.33 USD ) - VPIP: 30, PFR: 27, 3B: 20, AF: 6.3, Hands: 186
Player2 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ad Ac ]
Player4 folds
Hero raises [$0.17 USD]
Player6 folds
Player1 calls [$0.17 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, Kd, 7d ]
Hero bets [$0.29 USD]
Player1 raises [$0.75 USD]

At first I thought its good to try get it in in this spot hopefully up agaisnt a K or a flush draw but I feel l most of the time im trouble here or im gonna fold out bluffs by betting big- he is probably only going to get in sets, two pairs and suited combos like KQs so maybe best to just call here?
 
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I often call this and donk a non-diamond turn. It folds out his flush-draw bluffs, but he's not ever folding a K.
If he raises again, then you're in trouble.

3-betting here is fine as well.
 
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Maybe he got set?
But, in my opinion, you should re-raise allin. Or I agree with said above -3 betting.
 
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I often call this and donk a non-diamond turn. It folds out his flush-draw bluffs, but he's not ever folding a K.
If he raises again, then you're in trouble.

3-betting here is fine as well.

why would you donk with the intenion of folding a flush draw bluff, you want him to bluff at you as that is how you make money
 
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Tricky tricky, cant deny that. However if he has a flush or draw it is not for the nuts. Maybe a K pair plus a one card FD. Even with a set on a monotone board I would be very careful and rather x/c the hand down then get myself in trouble without filling up. As it was a standard open and call your hand is hugely underrepped. This is just my play but I would certainly ship it here bc I may be ahead a lot of time and for the times I'm behind I do have reasonable outs. And if he had a lock on the hand on this board he could afford the slow play. Slim but it might be Possible he is raising flop for a protection of a weak hand or maybe just puts you on AK without a diamond.

Either way, imo, we only get value from our hand if we see the last 2 cards and with the aggressive hole Villain is in he wont let you do that easy.

Checking is also fine but it involves a lot of pressure mostly bc we are out of position. If a non diamond comes would we bet? Most probably not but villain is likely to continue. Would we call another big bet here? To see the last card is valuable to our hand as it makes up for half of any equity we have. Either way we need to first decide if we are calling to see the last 2 cards or are we planning to give up on turn if we don't improve. I really like Tim's suggestion of calling and donking the turn as that would reverse the pressure and burn all semi/bluffs the villain might have. But we need to remember we are making a play here on the TURN so it will involve a big bet and should be prepared for variance. And if we do hit turn, best to check it to villain and let him bluff. If he shuts down our river value bet looks more like a bluff :D

In any case this is a complicated situation and there will be variance but that should not stop you from trying to get max value or making correct/strong plays.

Most importantly I am open to correction on the suggestions above as I am here to learn!
 
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why would you donk with the intenion of folding a flush draw bluff, you want him to bluff at you as that is how you make money
No, I make money by having him call with weaker hands. If he's on the flush draw and he calls my donk, then I make money. If I let him bluff and then just call, then I'm not exactly charging him extra for his draw - he just charged himself. And if he does not decide to bluff and takes a free card, then he got to see two streets for free.
I do this play to get him to make a mistake with a flush draw, and to get calls from weaker hands (top pair or worse).
And by seeing the (safe) turn card, our equity goes WAY up vs draws, which wouldn't happen with a 3-bet on the flop.
 
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I'm not happy here, and I'd be tempted to outright fold. Our opponent is a full stacked regular with pretty solid stats. He's got a high aggression factor, but given his preflop stats, it's not that nutty.

Calling and betting blank turns kinda turns our hand face up (we can no longer have draws in our range, and sets would prolly just stack off on this flop). Our equity is fine against draws on the flop, so this decision to get all the chips in probably needs to be made on the flop. Villain probably 3-bets AK. So the question really is if he raises KQ on this board.
 
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Calling and betting blank turns kinda turns our hand face up (we can no longer have draws in our range, and sets would prolly just stack off on this flop).
And why would this worry us at these stakes?
Besides, if I use the stop-and-go line and have gone to showdown vs the same villain a few times, I might start doing so with draws or the nuts as well (depending on if I'm getting mostly folds or not).
 
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Yeah, I guess at these stakes it doesn't matter. But the main reason not to stop & go here is that draws don't have equal equity against us. We're a 2:1 favorite over most flush draws.
 
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However if he has a flush or draw it is not for the nuts.
Well spotted. Lowers the odds of him doing this with a flush draw.

Since we're underrepped, I might be inclined to under-donk the turn, maybe 30% of the pot. Invites him to raise us light and value-bet his hand for us. :p

And if we do hit turn, best to check it to villain and let him bluff. If he shuts down our river value bet looks more like a bluff :D
Then you can overbet the river (110-120%). Looks extra bluffy. :)


Anyway, I don't think there's going to be that many differences in EV with the different lines we take here. As long as we don't go overboard with the money that goes into the pot, and we get to showdown, we'll win plenty.

Yeah, I guess at these stakes it doesn't matter. But the main reason not to stop & go here is that draws don't have equal equity against us. We're a 2:1 favorite over most flush draws.
And a 4:1 favourite on the turn...
 
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