€5 NLHE 6-max: AA vs Flop Shove

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 18/10/1.7

Okay, so this to me is a bit of a tough situation. Just as a side note, my less than 3x 3bet pre was something I was trying to see if people would view you as weaker if you were 'under 3betting' and would possibly increase chances of a 4bet.

Anyways I'm happy with the preflop part, after having 2 callers I went for a standard cbet, it could've possibly been larger but I didn't want to scare them both off on such a dry flop. Now comes the tricky part, when the SB player shoves. My immediate thoughts were of him having a pocket pair of 1010+. The only set he could've potentially hit in my opinion is with 99 as I can't see him calling OOP with less and even 99 is a bit wide imo with 18/10.

So here's the hand - fold or call?

IPoker, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $11.32 (226.4 bb)
BB: $5.24 (104.8 bb)
UTG: $8.75 (175 bb)
Hero (MP): $26.88 (537.6 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $3.54 (70.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A A
UTG raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.40, CO calls $0.40, BTN folds, SB calls $0.38, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.40) 7 3 9 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, CO folds, SB raises to $10.75, Hero?

Raise him all`in ,you cant fold on that flop ,TT-JJ can have here,maybe A9s...

This is a pretty gross spot. 200 deep, against two players sets are totally in vil's range. At these stakes, I probably just stack off, but against a good player at higher limits, I'd lay this down a good chunk of the time.

It's very unlikely vil has A9, btw. His range is like 99+, 33, 77. TT might not be that aggressive either.

Some days I'd fold some days I'd call. I think the right move is to fold.

I'd fold here this deep and feel good about it. If the guy had a draw, he's going to be c/cing a ton. Even with TT/JJ, if he played it this passive pre-flop, he's probably not going to just now decide to go crazy and stack off on a dry board like this. The guy has a set or two pair and is hoping you have a big over pair. Aside from some stats or reads, I think this is a pretty straight forward fold.

Have to fold here I think.

I'd fold here as well. I've been caught against a set of 9's with Aces too many times.

Think about it the SB was well priced with lower pocket pairs. So his range will be much wider than say CO



Don't be too scared to scare the other players away. Raising weaker will let those villains catchup, raising more will keep the hands we really smash and keep those disguised hands out! remember also 80% against 1 player to win with AA. 60% against 2... 40% against 3 ... just roughly that is.

So your really hurting your game playing weaker.

It's already been said: Easy fold. Why would you want to risk 200 BB with only one pair post flop?

Right click the villain's name and make note that he/she check/allin shoves a set and move on to the next hand.

fold here this deep. i also don't eliminate 77 and 33 from his range given your 3bet was small and you're both extremely deep, so he has decent implied odds to call and setmine. having said that if he did have a set i don't think he played it very well.

He could have 77 aswell, your 3Bet were too small, so with this deep stacks and such a small 3Bet I would say that it is a misstake to fold 77 here for Vil. And OTF it is not easy for your emotions but it is easy if you think about it, to fold. Its a dry flop and I dont think he would shove like TT-JJ, He would just call it or maybe raise it 2.5-3x. IMO he has eitcher a REALLY good hand like 77 or 99 (maybe 33, But most likely not). Or hes stupid and decided to make a really stupid bluff. And if it is the second one, Than you will get so much money from him later on anyways. I'd fold

Huwww said:

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 18/10/1.7

Okay, so this to me is a bit of a tough situation. Just as a side note, my less than 3x 3bet pre was something I was trying to see if would view you as weaker if you were 'under 3betting' and would possibly increase chances of a 4bet.

Anyways I'm happy with the preflop part, after having 2 callers I went for a standard cbet, it could've possibly been larger but I didn't want to scare them both off on such a dry flop. Now comes the tricky part, when the SB player shoves. My immediate thoughts were of him having a pocket pair of 1010+. The only set he could've potentially hit in my opinion is with 99 as I can't see him calling OOP with less and even 99 is a bit wide imo with 18/10.

So here's the hand - fold or call?

IPoker, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $11.32 (226.4 bb)
BB: $5.24 (104.8 bb)
UTG: $8.75 (175 bb)
Hero (MP): $26.88 (537.6 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $3.54 (70.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A

A

UTG raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.40, CO calls $0.40, BTN folds, SB calls $0.38, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.40) 7

3

9

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, CO folds, SB raises to $10.75, Hero?

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There definitely need to accept and go to the Ollin. We have plenty of chances to win plus Velho and we position. Definitely take the river and exposed.

John A said:

I'd fold here this deep and feel good about it.

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There's almost no way 2c/5c has gotten this tough since I've left the game. I bet players still stack top pair & overpairs this deep. A player with a 10% PFR raising UTG probably has a lot of over pairs in their range (ie, they don't raise 33). Stack to pot ratio is 7.8:1 on the flop, very close to overpair stacking size. I don't think it's that easy of a fold.

Retina said:

There definitely need to accept and go to the Ollin. We have plenty of chances to win plus Velho and we position. Definitely take the river and exposed.

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Are you kidding?

c9h13no3 said:

There's almost no way 2c/5c has gotten this tough since I've left the game. I bet players still stack top pair & overpairs this deep. A player with a 10% PFR raising UTG probably has a lot of over pairs in their range (ie, they don't raise 33). Stack to pot ratio is 7.8:1 on the flop, very close to overpair stacking size. I don't think it's that easy of a fold.

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From what I'm seeing from posts, and just in general how much better lower stakes I'm even playing on having gotten better, I'd have to disagree. I think if someone at these stakes isn't 4-betting TT/JJ here deep, it's unlikely he's just stacking off with it post flop. I think it makes since that if he's not investing more with this hand pre, that he'd not look to just blow away a 9x, 7x or other weaker hands that would obviously fold to this over shove. I think you see more c/calling on the flop then you do just CR ship full stack. Maybe even a smaller CR on the flop. Just my opinion and observation.

I'm thinking the only hand our opponent could have here is a set. A draw always check calls IMO. I don't like it but we gotta fold...

Most of the time I would fold against a decente player but a 1.7 Af tight player would slowplay in this spot só his shove I think it's anything you beat but I don't agree when you say that 99 is not on his range...clearly it is.

jorgepedro said:

Most of the time I would fold against a decente player but a 1.7 Af tight player would slowplay in this spot só his shove I think it's anything you beat but I don't agree when you say that 99 is not on his range...clearly it is.

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Sorry, I misread the board. It's 793 (read it as 933). I would fold here. Not calling this shove on a dry flop.