$5 NLHE 6-max: A3s Vs 2 Others from the Button

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I promise I won't innundate you guys everyday, but I felt I was getting hella value to call from this position with another guy in the pot. And his overbetting on Turn, am I supposed to fold here? Once again I'm 17 hands in and blinds and folds have been quick. Haven't seen many flops. I putting dude in early position on high pocket pair or high Ace Blank suited. Maybe JJ to even KKs or AK AQ and so on. But I don't like checking when it comes back to me when I have top pair.... I know weak kicker, but those two can be sitting on set miners. Should I have folded the reraise on the flop?


BB ($5.33)
UTG ($9.20)
MP ($6.15)
CO ($6.23)
Hero (Button) ($3.07)
SB ($5.02)

Preflop: Hero is Button with :3h4:, :ah4:
UTG raises $0.14, MP calls $0.14, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.14, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.49) :ac4:, :7h4:, :8d4: (3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.25, UTG raises $0.70, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.89) :kh4: (2 players)
UTG raises to $8.36 (All-In), Hero calls $2.23 (All-In)

River: ($6.35) :7c4: (2 players, 2 all-in)
 
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Do you think he will ever do that will a bluff/semi bluff? Also keep in mind it's a multi-way pot so It's more likely one of them has a hand.If the answer is no than you've got to fold. What value hands are you beating? None so you have between 9 and 14 outs %18-%30. Even if he has bluffs in his range (4h5h,9h10h) he's not going to be balanced overbetting this turn. His range is going to be more weighted towards value.

To calculate how much equity you need= $2.23/($1.89+$2.23) which comes to
%54.

As for the rest of the hand I don't think your deep enough to speculate calling a utg open with A3s even with mp calling and you having absolute position. So I would fold or squeeze (probably squeeze). Otf I like your bet. But I would fold to the raise....If I was you. UTG seems like a solid player just based off his stack size and you don't(no offence your just not full stacked). That being said utg would be foolish to raise any thing as a bluff and should be raising for pure value vs a potential fish. If I wasn't you I would probably fold to the raise vs an unknown as well but being in position it wouldn't take much to convince me to see a turn.
 
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Flatting the initial raise while speculative is not terrible.
Even though you have top pair, betting the flop is questionable, you have two players who put money in pre-flop who both have a lot of Ax's in their ranges and most which in all probability have you dominated. Betting into the original raiser only bloats the pot. Much more preferrable to check back and see a free card and re-evaluate. And then calling UTG's re-raise creates an SPR which pretty much commits you.

just my 2 cents worth.:jd4:
 
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Do you think he will ever do that will a bluff/semi bluff? Also keep in mind it's a multi-way pot so It's more likely one of them has a hand.If the answer is no than you've got to fold. What value hands are you beating? None so you have between 9 and 14 outs %18-%30. Even if he has bluffs in his range (4h5h,9h10h) he's not going to be balanced overbetting this turn. His range is going to be more weighted towards value.

To calculate how much equity you need= $2.23/($1.89+$2.23) which comes to
%54.

As for the rest of the hand I don't think your deep enough to speculate calling a utg open with A3s even with mp calling and you having absolute position. So I would fold or squeeze (probably squeeze). Otf I like your bet. But I would fold to the raise....If I was you. UTG seems like a solid player just based off his stack size and you don't(no offence your just not full stacked). That being said utg would be foolish to raise any thing as a bluff and should be raising for pure value vs a potential fish. If I wasn't you I would probably fold to the raise vs an unknown as well but being in position it wouldn't take much to convince me to see a turn.
Yeah, I'm doing a bankroll challenge. While I know it's not ideal, I just wanna see If I can achieve it. And it caps me at 3$ (the challenge, not the site). I know I lose value, when I'm not at full equity--full buy-in.

As always I appreciate the responses. They help challenge my initial thought process, and hopefully I become a better player sooner rather than later.
 
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If you donk bet, imo, you should use larger size (to give strong impression and even if called to buy turn card free and give up if raised. Small donks are typically weak hands asking to be raised, like actually was the case here too).
 
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I don't mind the flat pre in position with a suited connected A.

Betting the flop isn't great, you have TP but with a kicker you want to pot control with.

When you get raised there really is only one semi bluffing hand that you are ahead of (9T )and I'd expect that to Cbet flop rather than check raise, there really are very few bluffs in villains range.

Also JJ KK QQ are not check raising this flop, at 5nl people don't fold weak TP's reliably enough to make it a profitable play.

On the turn your not really getting the odds to make the call even when the heart rolls off.
 
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Do you think he will ever do that will a bluff/semi bluff? Also keep in mind it's a multi-way pot so It's more likely one of them has a hand.If the answer is no than you've got to fold. What value hands are you beating? None so you have between 9 and 14 outs %18-%30. Even if he has bluffs in his range (4h5h,9h10h) he's not going to be balanced overbetting this turn. His range is going to be more weighted towards value.

To calculate how much equity you need= $2.23/($1.89+$2.23) which comes to
%54.

As for the rest of the hand I don't think your deep enough to speculate calling a utg open with A3s even with mp calling and you having absolute position. So I would fold or squeeze (probably squeeze). Otf I like your bet. But I would fold to the raise....If I was you. UTG seems like a solid player just based off his stack size and you don't(no offence your just not full stacked). That being said utg would be foolish to raise any thing as a bluff and should be raising for pure value vs a potential fish. If I wasn't you I would probably fold to the raise vs an unknown as well but being in position it wouldn't take much to convince me to see a turn.

Could you explain that equity calculation for me really quick? Is that an EV calculation?


Also, sound advice here to take note of OP. I'll add though that he could also be using KK as double blockers to AK trying to bully somebody off a weak Ace, his check raise is very strong; but then just gets there on the turn, this is NL5 though, perhaps things are more straightforward


In general OP stacking off with a rag ace isn't a good idea IMO, you'd have to have a very good reason for it which I just don't think you do unfortunately.
 
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