$5 NLHE 6-max: 9-10 suited 3bet from SB . tripple barrel bluff here? can i?

pokerstars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Button ($23.74)
Hero (SB) ($6.70)
BB ($5.35)
UTG ($8.58)
MP ($11.59)
CO ($18.05)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 , 10
3 folds, Button bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25
Flop: ($0.85) 5 , 4 , A (2 players)
Hero bets $0.65, Button calls $0.65
Turn: ($2.15) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $1.05, Button calls $1.05
River: ($4.25) J (2 players)
Hero? I got like a lil over 4.50 behind at this point. I guess since i dug my hole this deep, there is only one way to go from here right? do i give up or shove in this scenario?

Fold pre.

You are never making him fold river enough to be profitable here. So never triple barrel this runout.

If you are going to start restealing then make it bigger. Probs .55 here as a minimum, add a few more BB's per player if you are squeezing

.30 preflop would've done the same and saved you money there.
In that pos. I would've done a potsize bet on the flop since your on a huge draw and if they have a hand like QQ KK they might even be inclined to fold being scared of the Ace...

After that you just shutdown unless the price is cheap cheap!

ScottishMatt said:

Fold pre.

You are never making him fold river enough to be profitable here. So never triple barrel this runout.

If you are going to start restealing then make it bigger. Probs .55 here as a minimum, add a few more BB's per player if you are squeezing

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resteal bigger? why? 45. cents is 3 times his raise. i think its already big enough anything bigger would look fishy,no?

Aces2w1n said:

.30 preflop would've done the same and saved you money there.
In that pos. I would've done a potsize bet on the flop since your on a huge draw and if they have a hand like QQ KK they might even be inclined to fold being scared of the Ace...

After that you just shutdown unless the price is cheap cheap!

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isnt betting .65 into .85 stronger than a pot sized bet? just asking. cause the way i see it ,pot size bets look weak. Like if i have it,why try to scare him off witha POT SIZEr. thats what i was thinking.

he's not folding nearly often enough to justify river bet.

baudib1 said:

he's not folding nearly often enough to justify river bet.

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what do you think about the play? maybe more on turn?less on turn? check turn?

well you are 3betting preflop OOP with a weak hand as a bluff? The typical range for flatting a 3bet from the blinds has your T high in bad shape. His call on the turn narrows his range to basically Axx hands and Broadway hands with a higher flush draw than yours. (he most likely wouldnt call you down with like 77 or 56 unless you have some history with him.) Also, by 3betting a BTN open pre and then barreling all streets you sort of make your hand look like an obvious bluff (perhaps something to consider in the future with strong hands). When I try to 3bet as a bluff and get called I usually will bet the flop if I caught some of it and then give up on the turn unless I improve.

frozensprx said:

well you are 3betting preflop OOP with a weak hand as a bluff? The typical range for flatting a 3bet from the blinds has your T high in bad shape. His call on the turn narrows his range to basically Axx hands and Broadway hands with a higher flush draw than yours. (he most likely wouldnt call you down with like 77 or 56 unless you have some history with him.) Also, by 3betting a BTN open pre and then barreling all streets you sort of make your hand look like an obvious bluff (perhaps something to consider in the future with strong hands). When I try to 3bet as a bluff and get called I usually will bet the flop if I caught some of it and then give up on the turn unless I improve.

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Good points you make here. thnks alot.

Well, due to blind versus blind dynamics, I have come to understand that way too many people call 3 bets ultra light on the button due to never believing that SB have it. This includes myself as well. I never see AA or KK flatting a 3bit .They usually 4 bet(especially at these low levels). So im 100% sure that he doesnt have AA or KK.

This leads me to believe that he has some weak kind of Ax hand or a mid pocket pair. To be honest, in my mind, anyone flatting a 3bet on the button could have just about anything all the time(unless i have reason to believe he is a nit or smthng similar).

So im thinking ok im representing a High PP but my hand is disguised. So i decide to bet the turn (with the draw as equity) and maybe get him off his weak hand. when the river hits the blank(for me). I think this is a good and strong point to shove. I dont think we are getting calls here with too many hands. except 2 pair and above . Which im not convinced that he has.

Im not advertising this play as super optimal and EV+ but when you sometimes ,mistakenly, get yourself in this kind of trouble is it not wrong to give up here and lose the initiative and the money on the table ?

The reason you resteal bigger is so he has a chance to actually fold his hand preflop. This would be a great result for you, as you avoid having to play out of position with T high. Give him a chance to do it. As it is, you are offering pot odds such that he can play an 85 cent pot against you in position for just 25 cents. I don't know his button open or most of your stats but villain would be pretty bad not to continue here with the majority of his range.

It also lets you 3bet your really strong preflop hands larger as well and gain a lot of value there, since your sizing will be similar in this spot with both KK and T9.

As for psbs looking weak, that depends on the player making the bet and whether or not they have a tendency to bet smaller with made hands (because they want showdowns) and larger with draws or bluffs (because they don't want showdowns). Decent players don't do this ofc since it's a pretty huge tell, but in any case I strongly disagree with going any higher otf than you did. 65 is fine.

The turn on the other hand, should have been sized better. Less than ½ pot ott that he's almost never folding to ip after calling a bet on that particular flop is going to make stacks awkward on the river. Even though it's 5NL and I suppose the logic was to make a blocking bet or something, I would fire out an amount more in line with what I could use for my entire range... if I choose to bet at all (and with no information given about the player or his tendencies I can't say that I would).

River play is more interesting here than it appears to be but instead of getting into all that my advice would simply be to check/fold as played. He often doesn't have a great hand but hoping he'll fold Ax is another story.

vinylspiros said:

isnt betting .65 into .85 stronger than a pot sized bet? just asking. cause the way i see it ,pot size bets look weak. Like if i have it,why try to scare him off witha POT SIZEr. thats what i was thinking.

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Perhaps your changing up your bet sizes too much? It wouldn't take too much effort to run history with you and note down everytime your chasing a flush *3/4* size bets... defending ok 1/2 pot size

I keep my bets very similar everytime no matter what I've got to make it as hard as possible for people to know what I've actually got.



***You might be weak this time but if you continually do that same bet when your extreme strength your going to get action on your nuts hands as well***