$5 NLHE 6-max: 68bb hero call with Ace high no kicker

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5NL 6-max zoom on pokerstars. Villain is unknown.

BTN: $4.63
SB: $5.09
Hero (BB): $5.36
UTG: $5.72
MP: $5.54
CO: $7.85

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 3:club: A:club:
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.50, BTN calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.02) 4:club: K:heart: T:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, BTN calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.52) 2:diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($2.52) 7:spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.38 all in, Hero calls $3.38

My logic was that the villain would have bet the turn with any value hand on such a draw-heavy board. I was worried about him having a better Ace high than me, but then I thought that he'll probably check back the river with Ace high, so I thought that I should be good against QJ and weaker busted flush draws. Thoughts?
 
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It's usually not good to bluff catch, when your bluff catcher can be out kicked. I'm glad you won the hand though and hope he had QJ/hearts w/o an Ace.
 
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hands like this is why I value bet 10x on river at these stakes and get called all day.

Like John says, villains are going to bluff with better here often and sometimes players will spaz with some dumb hand like 88 because they don't understand SDV. This call is going to be spew soooo often.
 
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Hands like this is why I value bet 10x on river at these stakes and get called all day.

I don't just call with Ace high for the sake of calling with Ace high... I call because they took a line which made no sense and is usually indicative of a busted draw. I am capable of making big laydowns and I will regularly fold overpairs when I feel that I'm beat. To me though, on this board texture, I just couldn't see the villain checking back the turn with a made hand and then bombing the river like this.

Are you saying that you'll intentionally take a line which makes no sense and then overbet the river with a weak pair expecting me to hero call you with Ace high? That would be an insanely thin value bet and I don't think that this ever happens at the micro stakes. I would just never expect the villain to show up with 88 here. If he wanted to turn his hand into a bluff, he could have either raised the flop or bet the turn.

I try to be a very flexible player. I can be a nit at times (making huge laydowns) and I can also be a calling station at times (making hero calls). So I don't think you could exploit me for calling down too loosely, just like I don't think you could exploit me for making huge laydowns, because I try to keep a balance between the two.

And the villain did show QJo here so the Ace high won.
 
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3 bet an even 3x (if the raise is to 15, then 3bet to .45) and cbet 66% could have saved yourself about .20¢

I don't mind preflop or flop, I think maybe you could have barrelled the turn if the pot wasn't so inflated. But probably a good idea not to. I think the flop hit such a big chunk of his range that you should check fold the turn and check fold the river after he called your cbet.
 
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Play limit if you're going to be so damn sticky on the river.
 
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Play limit if you're going to be so damn sticky on the river.
There is truth in this. I recognize a lot of my own calldown leak in Matthew's posts. As a former limit player myself, I'm pretty sure he'd be able to crush limit for a lot more than he does NL. Too bad he's born 10 years too late...
 
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3 bet an even 3x (if the raise is to 15, then 3bet to .45) and cbet 66% could have saved yourself about .20¢

I don't mind preflop or flop, I think maybe you could have barrelled the turn if the pot wasn't so inflated. But probably a good idea not to. I think the flop hit such a big chunk of his range that you should check fold the turn and check fold the river after he called your cbet.

I think that a standard 3bet sizing is anything between 3x and 3.5x, so anything between 45c and 52c should be okay. I typically like to 3bet slightly larger when I'm OOP, for the same reason that people raise larger when they're OOP (like how you see people opening to 4x UTG, 3x in MP/CO and 2.5x on BTN: it's because they don't want to give their opponents a great price to take position on them).

I chose a larger Cbet sizing because it was a wet board. I will typically Cbet larger but less often on wet boards, whereas I'll typically Cbet smaller but more frequently on dry boards. I think that this is a somewhat standard approach. I don't Cbet bluff as often on a wet flop as I would on a dry flop, so it makes sense to bet larger, as if I'm betting for value. On the other hand, I would almost always Cbet bluff a dry board (because I expect more fold equity on dry boards), so it makes sense to bet smaller so that I'm not lighting so much money on fire, and so that my Cbet bluffs can be more efficient (lower risk to reward ratio). Since this was a wet board, I felt that I should be Cbetting at least 70% pot, if not more (assuming that I Cbet at all, instead of check/folding). I had some backdoor draws (backdoor wheel, backdoor nut straight and backdoor nut flush) so that was part of the reason why I decided to Cbet the flop instead of check/folding.

My reason for calling the river bet was because his range looked so polarised. If he'd made a more normal river bet sizing (like $1 for example), I'd be much more inclined to check/fold the river. But when he checks back the turn (saying that he doesn't have a value hand and doesn't need protection) and then bombs the river after all the draws go bust (now trying to tell me that he does have a strong value hand after all), it just doesn't make sense to me.

Play limit if you're going to be so damn sticky on the river.

For the most part, I'm actually a somewhat tight player. I will regularly overpairs when my opponent shows extreme strength. I just didn't see his line as being strong at all.

There is truth in this. I recognize a lot of my own calldown leak in Matthew's posts. As a former limit player myself, I'm pretty sure he'd be able to crush limit for a lot more than he does NL. Too bad he's born 10 years too late...

I used to be a lot tighter back at 2NL zoom, but the players at 5NL and 10NL zoom bluff a lot more and value bet a lot thinner, so I had to adjust my play.
 
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right, but sometimes you want to go for the smaller size just to keep the pot from over inflating. when youre 3betting, you're already inflating the pot by a lot. i think a $0.45 3bet carries enough weight to be effective, but is small enough to help prevent you from becoming pot committed later on.
 
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I am not understanding why we 3-bet at all. Call and see if we get our wheel house or flush draw, if not get out.
 
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I am not understanding why we 3-bet at all. Call and see if we get our wheel house or flush draw, if not get out.

Its mostly for fold equity as far as I know. Btn is trying to steal so his range is really wide so he's usually not willing to call a 3bet. The 3bet also gives us the option to continue on the flop if the villain does call. when out of position, we need to find small edges to take control of the action. I think a call would be okay, but I think the 3bet is a little better.
 
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And with these small aces, if we get 4-bet, we can get away from them easily, making them even better as a 3-bet bluff.
 
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Although if the villain does 4bet bluff a lot, I'd be more inclined to tighten up my restealing range by flat-calling 2bets more and then 5betting more the times I do 3bet. But as of this hand, I had no read that the villain would 4bet lightly in a BTN vs blind war, so I was fine with 3betting.
 
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Don't really like the call. You don't even beat some bluffs. Calling with AK here instead is okay. Maybe AQ. And your opponent played the hand terribly lol. Probably the worst way he could play it.
 
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