$5 NLHE 6-max: 5nlZOOM Turn top two..Face a 4bet shove 3ways!!

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MP ($8.48 in chips)
CO ($6.89 in chips)
Hero ($7.72 in chips)

Dealt to Hero [Ks Qs]
UTG: raises $0.10 to $0.15
MP: calls $0.15
CO: calls $0.15
Hero (BUT): calls $0.15
SB: folds
BB: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kc 7h 9h]
UTG: checks
MP: checks
CO: bets $0.35
Hero: calls $0.35
UTG: folds
MP: calls $0.35
*** TURN *** [Kc 7h 9h] <font color='black'>Q♣</font>
MP: checks
CO: bets $0.70
Hero: raises $1.05 to $1.75
MP: calls $1.75
CO: raises $4.64 to $6.39 and is all-in
Hero: folds
MP: calls $4.64
*** RIVER *** [Kc 7h 9h Qc] <font color='black'>6♣</font>
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MP: shows [8h Ah] (high card Ace)
CO: shows [Jh Qh] (a pair of Queens)

DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH MY DECISION AND WHY ???? :p
OBVIOUSLY I ALMOST NEVER EXPECT JQhh SINCE CO VILLAIN WAS KINDA UKNOWN AND SEEMED TIGHTISH AFTER 150 hands
 
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Id squeeze pre.

Raise flop its a board which can get nasty

If i played it my way id prolly shove turn.

But as played im more like to be careful mw and just be more cautious.

As a rule mw needs a stronger hand on avg

I dont mind the fold because it was played bad on previous streets


I see so many sets of 9s when i play heh...so i wouldnt be suprised

But as a side note if we think we are good we have to attack the turn and make flush draws and str draws pay

But also since mw jt is easily in there and sets so folding is best

If we 3bet jt wont be there most times
 
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Ok thank you vm!!!I agree with your thoughts. I do also think i should 've at least raised flop.... (guess i was in auto mode or something). The thing is that, if this guy shoves turn after a 3bet, he might also 4 bet all in the flop which is pretty nasty given the stats i have on him (tight - passive) :p
 
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With a hand like kq and ak gets twitchy or kkk... its nice to be able to let it go cheaply
 
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In my eyes it looks just about standard play. I wouldn’t expect to be winning most of the time (especially if they seemed tight) but I don’t see any way out after top two.

Raising flop is out of my play book completely (except when I'm bluffing , or when I'm strong). Against 4 opponents, I can see myself even folding :D (not that I remember I have ever done that with this good hand, I know I should have many times though) Raise / fold just sounds so lame. Maybe correct move, not saying that.

OTT raise might be correct, not sure.

When you decide to call pre, you don't really want to build big pots with top pair hands, the story might be different had you raised pre. But call or raise pre is pretty much equal imo.
 
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Yeah I think shoving is better too OTT.
 
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Also when you 3bet you take control.
Most times they will check on the flop. More control and position now.
And thats where its at esp in a mw pot.. now the choice is yours if you want to risk more or not.


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This hand is rare because you dont normally get 2 people chasing flushes and playing like this... So these guys are just really bad. Take notes and look at their stats and next time we can attack slightly wider
 
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Its a shame you posted their hands it skews the analysis
The flop is semi dynamic and you are highly likely to be ahead on the flop but there are tons of draws. I'd have flop cbet more like 50c to properly charge the draws here.
The fact that no one bets big or raises the flop makes strong hands unlikely at that point. This all changes as soon as the Q arrives. In a single raised pot multiway JT especially suited will be out there a lot and facing that action from the CO multiway I think a fold is correct. If it was heads up my money probably goes in there with top 2.
The fact that he shoves a pair/flush draw/gutshot shows CO is a bit wild. All you can do is take a note and use that against him next time
 
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Thanks a lot for your answers guys!!! Sizings seemed preety drawish to me too, but i didnt think that they would play these hands like that at that time.. I thought one of them always has a set or a straight since its nl5. CO didnt seem that aggro loose also :p
 
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I like the flat call on the flop while it's a wet board our hand just really isn't strong enough to raise. Worse hands will have an easy fold and better hands will pile the money in. Let's flat call and see the turn. I don't think you can fold the turn getting 2:1 to stack off with top two. It's a draw heavy board so he might be semi bluffing and you beat a decent number of his value hands.
 
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