$5 NLHE 6-max: 5NL mid overpair as PRF, weak board facing raise OTF

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 26/10/1.5

pokerstars Hand #82733440544: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2012/07/01 22:21:31 ET
Table 'Anacostia II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: True_Ninja21 ($5.02 in chips)
Seat 2: AndreFezzari ($10.43 in chips)
Seat 3: jchoop ($5 in chips)
Seat 5: iliapt ($6.91 in chips)
Seat 6: jelcke23 ($2.77 in chips)
True_Ninja21: posts small blind $0.02
AndreFezzari: posts big blind $0.05

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jchoop [Tc Ts]
jchoop: raises $0.13 to $0.18
iliapt: calls $0.18
jelcke23: calls $0.18
True_Ninja21: calls $0.16
AndreFezzari: folds

*** FLOP *** [2d 2h 3s]
True_Ninja21: checks
jchoop: bets $0.55
iliapt: raises $0.55 to $1.10
jelcke23: folds
True_Ninja21: folds
jchoop: calls $0.55

*** TURN *** [2d 2h 3s] 5♠
jchoop: checks
iliapt: bets $2.13
jchoop: ?


Obviously by the turn, i have no other choice than to get it in imo. could i have played this hand any differently?
i feel like shoving over the top only folds out worse hands, so i can only really call down? Thanks guys
 
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just thought id ad....

i feel like his range pre is like 22-AA, (lots of limping pre and flatting opens judging by his vpip/pfr ratio, as well as big aces and suited paint.

when he raises me on the flop, i feel like this polarizes his range to all pocket pairs. hes not overly aggressive at all so i dont see this being a bluff, esp since im pretty damn tight UTG- so its more a question of how many hands he thinks he beats on the flop. probably a lot. when i call though and he bombs the turn, what is he beating that calls a raise? based on his range prob not a lot. and what am i beating based on his? pretty much nothing either.
hence my tough spot
 
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i feel like this polarizes his range to all pocket pairs.
Its close.

You've got enough equity for this to be roughly EV neutral (you need ~40% equity to stack this). In the heat of the moment, I probably shove the turn (just because I thought we had more equity). But after sitting down and running the numbers, a fold is probably better. Its doubtful that villain has any bluffs, since he raised the flop with 2 players left to act, after you raised UTG. And it'd be a pretty ballsy line for a fish to take with 44/66.
 
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stats listed in bold at the top of OP ;)
Sorry i did not see them :).

So. In my opinion i think you should raise harder when you have a lot of loose passive players to act after you. His 3B range is only AA, KK so he could be calling any pocket pair 22-QQ, and suited aces like A2 suited.
Ussualy when they are passive pre , they are passive post flop. So a reraise from a player like this when last to act in a multiway pot feels like a very strong hand. I would probabely fold at his reraise. If we were HU i would had called or shoved. But in our case a fold feels better.
 
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stats listed in bold at the top of OP ;)
Sorry i did not see them :).

So. In my opinion i think you should raise harder when you have a lot of loose passive players to act after you. His 3B range is only AA, KK so he could be calling any pocket pair 22-QQ, and suited aces like A2 suited.
Ussualy when they are passive pre , they are passive post flop. So a reraise from a player like this when last to act in a multiway pot feels like a very strong hand. I would probabely fold at his reraise. If we were HU i would had called or shoved. But in our case a fold feels better.
 
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Obviously by the turn, i have no other choice than to get it in imo.

I don't see how this is the case at all. In fact I think this is a fairly routine fold given villain's player type and the amount of players that were involved in the hand.
 
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I don't see how this is the case at all. In fact I think this is a fairly routine fold given villain's player type and the amount of players that were involved in the hand.

I think if I'm going to call the flop then I have to call the turn. Once I've called flop what does turn change? Not like he's bluff raising flop ever IMO.

Anyway I appreciate everyone's advise. Found it very helpful.
FYI I tank rage called lol. He rolled 33 :/ GG
 
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Just quickly.. When he raises the flop, am I wrong to assume he could be making te same play with 44-99? I feel like villains at these levels would like raising flop and betting turn here because they don't want to see scare cards?

Iono. Why couldn't it have been a nit so I could gtfo :) lol
 
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