$5 NLHE 6-max: $5 NLHE 6-max: Zoom AA vs 1 short stacked villain(3 way)

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pokerstars Zoom Hand #178264219190: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2017/11/15 8:24:24 ET
Table 'Donati' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Ariachi89 ($3.03 in chips)
Seat 2: lopatka ($5.27 in chips)
Seat 3: SHADDOW13 ($13.65 in chips)
Seat 4: aC4dima ($5.54 in chips)
Seat 5: SKD TEAM PRO ($5 in chips)
Seat 6: karpinets ($19.79 in chips)
lopatka: posts small blind $0.02
SHADDOW13: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aC4dima [As Ac]
aC4dima: raises $0.07 to $0.12
SKD TEAM PRO: folds
karpinets: folds
Ariachi89: raises $0.12 to $0.24
lopatka: folds
SHADDOW13: calls $0.19
aC4dima: raises $0.76 to $1
Ariachi89: calls $0.76
SHADDOW13: calls $0.76
*** FLOP *** [5h Qs Ks]
aC4dima??

In this situation would it be more profitable to shove to squeeze the small stacked fishy villain, or value bet flop?
 
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Pre flop is played well can't really fault it, very odd to get two calls. I think you are looking at 10s, JJ, QQ, AK, AK and KQ, everything else should fold or shove. Therefore you are losing to QQ and KQ. So what do you get called by when you bet the flop? Probably AK, KQ, QQ, and maybe somehow a Ax of Spades but I doubt there would be any combos of that, maybe A10s, AJs if they're bad players which they could be in this game. Therefore I don't think your hand is as strong as you think on this flop, unless you have a read that could discount the villains having KQ here, e.g. if they're very tight, then i think you can profitably shove.

On the whole I think you are beat a lot on this flop, but you have too much equity to fold, tough one.

Let me know what happened.
 
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Grab some toast, cuz I see JAM in your future.

Actual analysis: Normally I would say make your 3-bet a bit smaller so you induce more calls and have more room to bet the flop. But you got called twice, so whatever.
 
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3$ on the flop, (with two callers) or 2$ (if SHADDOW13 didn't call) the spr on the flop is 1 or less and you always have ovepair to the board or better so youu have only one move on the flop no matter what comes. This is a good play.
If you decide to go all in and overbet your 4 bet you eliminate many worse hand that fish would call you with.

I guess one of them had QKs ???? that is why you ask this question becuase you lost the hand >?
You can't create such a a big pot in comparison to the remaining stack and then fold.
 
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A pf 4 bet to 20x should have got only 1 caller at most. You're playing vs 2 droolers and I don't think you can fold.

The only slight change you might have made is to make your 4 bet to about 25x, but the result would have probably been the same.
 
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...I think you are looking at 10s, JJ, QQ, AK, AK and KQ, everything else should fold or shove. Therefore you are losing to QQ and KQ. So what do you get called by when you bet the flop? Probably AK, KQ, QQ.

The way the play went I have to agree with the possible hands. Who calls a 3-bet and then over calls a 4bet. That guy looks to have a medium pair or Ax. KK should shove a pot size bet. The 3bet call 4bet (perhaps to keep the over caller in?) looks to have exclusively AA, KK, AKs or QQ. There is only 1 combo of AA, 2 combos of AKs, 3 combos of KK and QQ, and 6 combos of JJ and TT. The JJ and TT are folding to a bet so it comes down to the other 9 combos, tie one, beat 2 and lose to 6.

You can't make KK or QQ fold, so a bet may only fold the hands you are beating and bluffs. It looks weak, but I think you need to check the flop. Ariachi89 has a 2/3 pot bet left and if he shoves you get to see what SHADDOW13 does before you act. If Ariachi89 pushes and and folds, you are need to call $2 to win $5, close enough to pay him off, IMHO. If SHADDOW13 bets, I think you have to fold.
 
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You can't make KK or QQ fold, so a bet may only fold the hands you are beating and bluffs. It looks weak, but I think you need to check the flop. Ariachi89 has a 2/3 pot bet left and if he shoves you get to see what SHADDOW13 does before you act. If Ariachi89 pushes and and folds, you are need to call $2 to win $5, close enough to pay him off, IMHO. If SHADDOW13 bets, I think you have to fold.
I agree with most of that. You are either way ahead or way behind. Only better hands call a bet, so you should slow down. SB acts first, so you should have included Shadow13's action. If he bets, it gets ugly and I might fold. If he checks, I check as well and see what happens. If BU pushes and SB fold, I call. If BU pushes and SB calls/shoves, a fold is probably best here.
 
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