$5 NLHE 6-max: $5 NLHE 6-max: Set on turn, did I got max value?

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poker stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2617610
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BB: $6.19
Hero (UTG): $4.69
MP: $5.84
CO: $2.93
BTN: $2.02
SB: $4.50

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with 4 :spade: 4 :club:
Hero raises to $0.10, 3 folds, SB raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.45) T :diamond: A :club: 8 :heart: (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.45) 4 :heart: (3 players)
SB bets $0.20, BB folds, Hero raises to $0.55, SB calls $0.35

River: ($1.55) T :spade: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.35, SB raises to $1.00, Hero calls $0.65



Hello, here I was lucky on turn.
I was quite happy till paired river. Because I was of course afraid the villain could have better full-house.

So do you think call was correct play here, or would I prefer risk and raise?
 
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I would like to say that I personally believe any kind of min raise pre-flop is weak (especially UTG). I would either flat call UTG or put in at least 3x raise. but the fact that he only min re-raised you back is a bit perplexing. It makes me think he is a fish.

We really need to know more about Villain and his tenancies, because that would determine whether your raise or call was correct on the river. On the assumption though that you know nothing about him, calling would be the safe choice.

factoring in the stakes though, (which around what I play), people will often go all-in with much less than that (normally top pair - 2 pair is good for most people to shove), so I think that bit of knowledge has a lot of value. If this same situation were to happen at a live game at a casino (where people are much less likely to risk their whole stack at lower limits, as I have experienced) I would say calling is correct.

Considering the stakes though, and his very passive play (yes, yes he could be slow playing a monster like AA or maybe he had A 10, but even so, there are few hands that beat you.

In a case like this, I probably would put him on trip 10s, maybe k 10 suited - 9 10 suited as his passive checking and not even half-pot betting would represent weakness. I could see him checking trip tens, but I honestly think if Villain were to have something like 10 8 or A 10 that he is not going to risk checking the river. All the signs (min re-raise pre-flop, checking the flop, ~ half pot turn bet), then the big raise on the river lead me to believe this guy is a fish that hit trips on a 10.

Personally, I would have gone all in with a monster like yours. If he ended up having a better full house, I would chalk it up to a cooler hand, and an odd way of slow playing. These types of hands do happen rarely, and unless he is a known tight player, a full house on a board like that with his plays up to the river..... I'm all in every time.

Also something to keep in mind, but the fact that it is 6 handed makes it even less of a possibility that 2 monster hands are going to be clashing.
 
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Thanks Glemly for great analysis.

I think you are right and I should raise there. Considering the micro stake, probably just all-in would be best.

The trips of Ts was just crying out loud, and it was mostly a question of his other pocket card. Could be any from 9,J,Q,K,A, and from those only A is beating my hand. On micro stakes noone is folding trips, especially if those are hit on river and no danger on flush/straight. Also A has less chance, as there is already one on board and he would probably played 2 pairs more aggresive.

The odds of villain having a monster (88,TT,AA) are very small, and it should not hold me from trying to get max value.

So summary, I was coward and lost about 2-2.5$ of EV.
 
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do you have any info on villain?

def raise more pre,
when you raise the turn , given bord texture it sems like a delayed raise for value imo, which is fine,
OTR: without any reads ts hard to say if you lost value , and i wouldnt go crazy worrying about it . you binked , and got action , if villain got trips and he's a fish . your bound to send him whirling into tiltt. stack hiim again
 
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Weird play here. I will reraise to $2.40 on the river.
 
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I would be happy to put all my chips at the center.

Rare that this is a fight between two full houses.
 
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For those still curious, the villain had KT, as expected.
 
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Results aren't helpful brother. What is helpful is villains raising range. It only hurts your winrate to put villain on a single hand.

I try and stress this as much as I can. Anyone who takes time to post hands wants to get better and win more money. And you will. Just don't be results orientated, and put villain on a range.....
 
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Once he raises our value bet on the river this should be an easy over the top ship considering the stack sizes. Don't flat here with a full house - you will miss value more often than not doing it.
 
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Like others have said if you're worried about losing house over house you're not doing it right, plenty of Ax & Tx hands that will raise the river for value, easy decision to ship it.
 
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Sorry to be obvious but as others have said I think he has probably raised pre with Ax - AK or AQ perhaps? Anyway as he didnt continuation bet, he was afraid that someone had already hit 2 pair so a check makes sense to see if he could hit his? On the river I expect he thought - Now I have my 2 pair Aces and Tens? I would have shoved on river and expect him to call - as you have said max value you didnt get, but not bad and good to learn from our own mistakes without a negative to the bankroll..................gl.............:D:D:D
 
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And just to add mate, at the micro limits don't tinker about with small bet sizing like your bet on the river, you gained control of the betting on the turn. You should be leading out for $1.30+ to get maximum value from that Ax+Tx
 
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Buy in full.

Raise more on the turn.

Jam river.
 
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This is before I saw results, which I did see... Raise more on the turn because there's a ton of second best hands still calling and draws. Shove the river all day. With how the hand was played, his most likely holding is Tx or AA. 88 and AT, even at these stakes probably wouldn't slowplay. So his range is really narrow but MOST importantly, look at how many more combos of Tx he's going to have than AA, and he's going to stack off with all Tx often enough to make this very profitable. This is an important part about poker that you need to understand. It's the long term %'s of how often you're making the most money here, and you can't focus on the smaller % of when you'll be beat or you'll never be a top winning player.
 
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