GreenDaddy1
Rock Star
Silver Level
party poker 6 max Fast Forward, no stats, and no reads either.
Folds to Button ($6.06) who opens for .15
SB ($10.60) 3 bets to .50
Hero in BB with AQo ($11.75) 4 bets to $1.25
Button folds.
SB 5 bets to $2.98
Hero calls.
Pot is $6.11
FLOP Js 5c Ts
SB c bets $2.90. Hero calls. Pot now $11.91
TURN Qh
SB checks.
Hero thinks.... and then shoves remaining $5.92 in
(next action & result to follow discussion)
So firstly, I have to call pre here if AQo is part of my value 4 bet range, right?
Secondly, is the call on the flop up for debate at all? Would be madness to fold, and I don't feel I have a reason to raise. Therefore, check.
Lastly, is the shove reasonable given villain has checked on the turn? Surely he barrels for value here if he likes the board, indicating maybe he has not improved on his hole cards?
The board looks dangerous and I even may get a fold here without the best hand as I could be seen to be representing the straight having piled it on that Q hitting the board. Am I being too optimistic to think a 5NL player could fold out KK, or even AA, here? I would think most would struggle!
Villains range, unless a maniac or fish, is probably limited to something like AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK, AQ? (Though arguably, it could just be AA, KK & AK - there are some very tight players at 5NL fast fold) Surely AK, QQ or JJ would have bet turn to keep building this huge pot. KK might be in two minds, fearing not just the straight but me having AA. AQ potentially more wary than I was inclined to be.
In the heat of the moment I convinced myself I was likely now just facing either AA (going to lose without a lucky river), KK (losing but could maybe scare them to fold) or AQ (and therefore likely to chop pot), or some complete fishy nonsense that I had beat. I figured I had a ton of fold equity generated by that wet board and the villain turn check if I shoved now rather than getting into some awkward river situation. Additionally there were still cards that could drop on the river to improve my hand if I did get called so all would not be lost, although at least some of them were probably being blocked.
Having looked over it with more time on my hands it seems a bit bonkers. Is this much aggression appropriate when I'm deep stacked and staring down the abyss of losing a very big pot? Do I need to be comfortable doing this sort of thing when getting involved in huge pots that come about from 4 and 5 betting?
Folds to Button ($6.06) who opens for .15
SB ($10.60) 3 bets to .50
Hero in BB with AQo ($11.75) 4 bets to $1.25
Button folds.
SB 5 bets to $2.98
Hero calls.
Pot is $6.11
FLOP Js 5c Ts
SB c bets $2.90. Hero calls. Pot now $11.91
TURN Qh
SB checks.
Hero thinks.... and then shoves remaining $5.92 in
(next action & result to follow discussion)
So firstly, I have to call pre here if AQo is part of my value 4 bet range, right?
Secondly, is the call on the flop up for debate at all? Would be madness to fold, and I don't feel I have a reason to raise. Therefore, check.
Lastly, is the shove reasonable given villain has checked on the turn? Surely he barrels for value here if he likes the board, indicating maybe he has not improved on his hole cards?
The board looks dangerous and I even may get a fold here without the best hand as I could be seen to be representing the straight having piled it on that Q hitting the board. Am I being too optimistic to think a 5NL player could fold out KK, or even AA, here? I would think most would struggle!
Villains range, unless a maniac or fish, is probably limited to something like AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK, AQ? (Though arguably, it could just be AA, KK & AK - there are some very tight players at 5NL fast fold) Surely AK, QQ or JJ would have bet turn to keep building this huge pot. KK might be in two minds, fearing not just the straight but me having AA. AQ potentially more wary than I was inclined to be.
In the heat of the moment I convinced myself I was likely now just facing either AA (going to lose without a lucky river), KK (losing but could maybe scare them to fold) or AQ (and therefore likely to chop pot), or some complete fishy nonsense that I had beat. I figured I had a ton of fold equity generated by that wet board and the villain turn check if I shoved now rather than getting into some awkward river situation. Additionally there were still cards that could drop on the river to improve my hand if I did get called so all would not be lost, although at least some of them were probably being blocked.
Having looked over it with more time on my hands it seems a bit bonkers. Is this much aggression appropriate when I'm deep stacked and staring down the abyss of losing a very big pot? Do I need to be comfortable doing this sort of thing when getting involved in huge pots that come about from 4 and 5 betting?