$5 NLHE 6-max: 4 bet pot IP

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 159 BB
SB: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 22.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, hands: 52)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 13.39, PFR: 8.66, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 135)
UTG: 118.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 182.4 BB (VPIP: 61.54, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
CO: 192.6 BB (VPIP: 17.44, PFR: 11.63, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 87)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9:heart: A:club:

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero raises to 21 BB, SB calls 11 BB

Flop: (43 BB, 2 players) 9:club: 5:diamond: K:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets 26 BB, SB calls 26 BB

Turn: (95 BB, 2 players) 4:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets 112 BB and is all-in

4bet with A9o…… You are playing your hand too aggressively!

if you know that this guy will 5b shove AK in pre, then i love this cos his range is capped and yours isnt.

based on SB stats and assuming the above is true, youre definitely getting away with this enough for it to be mega profitable

tomnovember said:

4bet with A9o…… You are playing your hand too aggressively!

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lies. this is a perfect spot to 4b. hero isnt playing his hand. he is playing back at a villain who is playing into him, while he has blockers (the right time to play back)

JCgrind said:

if you know that this guy will 5b shove AK in pre, then i love this cos his range is capped and yours isnt.

based on SB stats and assuming the above is true, youre definitely getting away with this enough for it to be mega profitable



lies. this is a perfect spot to 4b. hero isnt playing his hand. he is playing back at a villain who is playing into him, while he has blockers (the right time to play back)

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Could you, please, elaborate on the bold. I mean, I wouldn't have 4 bet here pre, because of A+something better than 9 in the range of SB.

Like JC said if you know he is GII OOP with AK here (which he obv should be) then it's good. Without that info though I don't like it. I've seen the 4-tabling Zoom regs call down light in spots like this on occasions where I've went full spewtard. Wouldn't be surprised to see some villains call and show up with KQo here from time to time.

kefir said:

Could you, please, elaborate on the bold. I mean, I wouldn't have 4 bet here pre, because of A+something better than 9 in the range of SB.

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Im 4 betting because the villains 3 bet is so high. Im not wanting a call and definitely don't want to be shoved on but he wont do that frequently.

The only hands that villains shove at this limit are QQ+ and AK. They'll flat a few hands more than that range and fold out a load of better hands than mine.

This is a standard 4 bet situation, so for me that's not why I posted the hand.

@ JC, do you not think with such a high 3 bet (albeit over a smallish sample) that he probably is shoving AK? That was my guess when jamming.

kefir said:

Could you, please, elaborate on the bold. I mean, I wouldn't have 4 bet here pre, because of A+something better than 9 in the range of SB.

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YGM covered it nicely. we 4b as a pure bluff cos we have an ace blocker and villain is obviously a fan of 3betting wide. you cant just 4b for value, especially in blinds wars.




He should be. but then its 5nl so who knows i guess. i havent played that low in ages. if you see plenty of weak reg grinders 3b/5b shoving it then yeah id go ahead and assume villain would gii pre.

i love the way you played the hand though. repping AK with next to no equity in 3b+ pots when villains range is capped is like my favourite pure bluff and i do it all the time. if villain flatted the 4b OOP w AK here, please dont be deterred from making badass plays like this in the future.

i just really hope that we didnt level ourselves haha.

i also think that TT-QQ is a way bigger part of villains range by the flop and villain looks reggy enough to dump those


nh nh

tx guys.
I understand.

JCgrind said:

YGM covered it nicely. we 4b as a pure bluff cos we have an ace blocker and villain is obviously a fan of 3betting wide. you cant just 4b for value, especially in blinds wars.




He should be. but then its 5nl so who knows i guess. i havent played that low in ages. if you see plenty of weak reg grinders 3b/5b shoving it then yeah id go ahead and assume villain would gii pre.

i love the way you played the hand though. repping AK with next to no equity in 3b+ pots when villains range is capped is like my favourite pure bluff and i do it all the time. if villain flatted the 4b OOP w AK here, please dont be deterred from making badass plays like this in the future.

i just really hope that we didnt level ourselves haha.

i also think that TT-QQ is a way bigger part of villains range by the flop and villain looks reggy enough to dump those


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Cheers. The bluff did get through but obv that doesn't necessarily mean it was the right play. Just thought I would check. Thanks for the input.

JCgrind said:

if you know that this guy will 5b shove AK in pre, then i love this cos his range is capped and yours isnt.

based on SB stats and assuming the above is true, youre definitely getting away with this enough for it to be mega profitable



lies. this is a perfect spot to 4b. hero isnt playing his hand. he is playing back at a villain who is playing into him, while he has blockers (the right time to play back)

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This is just NL5, not NL50. So such kind of play may losing you lots of pots to calling station fishs. Calling 4bet OOP is definately not kind of good play. And when you get called on the flop. It is too hard to imagine if the villain will fold to your turn shoving.

^ i hate people who make completely idiotic input

1. look at vil stats, hes not a station fish
2. hero 4b, not called a 4b OOP. obv if hero called a 4b OOP i would be berating him like it was my job.
3. villains will call flop a lot wider than they are willing to stack with. the fact that villain called the flop is kinda irrelevant tbh, and, assumign they dont improve OTT, will 75%+ of the time suggests villain has a hand that they arent willing to stack for a psb.

tomnovember said:

This is just NL5, not NL50. So such kind of play may losing you lots of pots to calling station fishs. Calling 4bet OOP is definately not kind of good play. And when you get called on the flop. It is too hard to imagine if the villain will fold to your turn shoving.

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villian wasnt loose passive judging by the stats...if it was a 'station fishs' then ye would be 4b for value.

vnh btw, like it......alot

JCgrind said:

^ i hate people who make completely idiotic input

1. look at vil stats, hes not a station fish
2. hero 4b, not called a 4b OOP. obv if hero called a 4b OOP i would be berating him like it was my job.
3. villains will call flop a lot wider than they are willing to stack with. the fact that villain called the flop is kinda irrelevant tbh, and, assumign they dont improve OTT, will 75%+ of the time suggests villain has a hand that they arent willing to stack for a psb.

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Tell me about it. I don't mind people making points... Even when they're wrong but just saying "it's a losing play" helps nobody.

It's sad that there are so few players that have good input into HA here. Wonder where they all went. What happened to ducky and 9k? Also haven't seen Jeremy.

Who folds a 4 bet pot after dumping half your stack in 100 BB poker? That's just bad play from the villain no matter what he was holding. He should have made up his mind on the flop. You got lucky IMO that was not very sensible play.

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Thinker_145 said:

Who folds a 4 bet pot after dumping half your stack in 100 BB poker? That's just bad play from the villain no matter what he was holding. He should have made up his mind on the flop. You got lucky IMO that was not very sensible play.

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So you'll get it in on any board in a 4 bet pot even if you miss or it smashes your opponents range? Money burner or what.

If he shoves the flop he folds out all my bluff hands and gets called by better all the time.

youregoodmate said:

So you'll get it in on any board in a 4 bet pot even if you miss or it smashes your opponents range? Money burner or what.

If he shoves the flop he folds out all my bluff hands and gets called by better all the time.

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I won't call a 4 bet anyways unless I thought my opponent was bluffing and would fold to a 5 bet. So ya never folding in this spot.

I don't call a 4 bet to hit the flop, even with QQ I am priced out to set mine AA/KK after 4 bet so I have to make up my mind pre whether I give someone credit for those 2 hands or not.

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Thinker_145 said:

I won't call a 4 bet anyways unless I thought my opponent was bluffing and would fold to a 5 bet. So ya never folding in this spot.

I don't call a 4 bet to hit the flop, even with QQ I am priced out to set mine AA/KK after 4 bet so I have to make up my mind pre whether I give someone credit for those 2 hands or not.

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Your thinking is flawed. We should be making maximum EV plays on each street as dictated by the changing dynamics I.e board texture and opponent. If you are calling pre and already have the mindset to get it in on any board then I guarantee you aren't always taking the optimum line. If you raise my flop bet then you are easily exploited. You narrow your range even more and I can play perfectly against you.

Without knowing villains holdings you can't state that he played it badly. I personally wouldn't flat a 4 bet out of position but depending on what he perceives my range to be there can be a case for it. If he has JJ/QQ or AQ here then of course he is folding to my bets. My range is very strong and as JC stated, is uncapped.

One thing I hate is when players say 'you played it badly' etc but don't really elaborate in any kind of detail as to why it was bad. I bet you even thought the 4bet was bad and that was standard.

No I don't think your 4 bet is bad, the V is clearly a very aggressive player and sometimes one has to 4 bet bluff such players.

What I am saying is that in my opinion your post flop play is not +EV. How many times is the V folding the turn? What is your plan if he shoves the flop?

If he called with QQ putting you on AK then he should be folding the flop.

What changed on the turn that he folded?

To call a 20 BB 4 bet with a 100 BB stack with anything other than AA is just bad play. Any other premium hand should either be a 5 bet or fold. And we know the V obviously didn't have AA.

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I am going to be c-betting nearly my entire range here. Therefore he won't be folding to one bet with QQ. If he shoves the flop I'm folding obviously, however, there is almost no hand he should be shoving on the flop. Like JC and I said, we think he shoves AK preflop which means I have a good chance of folding out all other hands in his range by shoving the turn.

Please tell me what hands you think he could have on the turn that can call my all-in? Considering an aggro player like him is likely to have shoved AK pre.

As for your last paragraph, we aren't talking about his play, we were discussing mine. The fact is people do call 4 bets without AA, stop berating me for his bad play. I just exploited it.

I am nobody to berate anyone, I am merely expressing my personal opinion. Poker is a very subjective game and that's why its such a beautiful game.

A 4 bet pot C bet is an entirely different thing than even a 3 bet pot C bet.

You won the hand because the other player played badly not because you played well. If he had folded to the 4 bet or even the flop then I'll say well played. If he folds the flop I can put him on QQ although I believe such an agro player would be 5 betting the button in this situation.

If he believed you are bluffing then he could have just called with a premium hand hoping you will bury yourself.

Please tell me the last time you won a hand without showdown where your 4 bet and subsequent flop C bet got called.

The only explanation that makes sense is that the V was tilting and realised it before spewing all his stack.

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This hand... I won this hand.

You seem to think I played this poorly but you are yet to tell me what hands he can call the turn with.

I am open to other opinions as long as they come with reasoning and logic. You have portrayed neither in your posts. You've come into this thread with a bad attitude, stating I 'played badly and got lucky', yet haven't expressed any reason as to why it was bad or better yet what the correct play would have been.

He could be playing QQ/JJ with a set mind of being committed.

He could have slow played KK and now just waiting for you to barrel your stack. He could always shove the river if you check the turn.

Some agro players don't 5 bet AK so that's also a slim possibility.

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Thinker_145 said:

He could be playing QQ/JJ with a set mind of being committed.

He could have slow played KK and now just waiting for you to barrel your stack. He could always shove the river if you check the turn.

Some agro players don't 5 bet AK so that's also a slim possibility.

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He has more than half a stack left so isn't close to being committed and my range looks incredibly strong. Its hard for him to call with QQ/JJ. He seems like a reg so I thought he was very capable of folding that.

There are only 3 combos of KK so that wont make up a big portion of his range at all and I think he gets that in pre more often that not.

The turn shove needs to work about 50% of the time to be profitable and I think it works more often than that against his range there.

Your outlook is pessimistic rather than realistic.

youregoodmate said:

He has more than half a stack left so isn't close to being committed and my range looks incredibly strong. Its hard for him to call with QQ/JJ. He seems like a reg so I thought he was very capable of folding that.

There are only 3 combos of KK so that wont make up a big portion of his range at all and I think he gets that in pre more often that not.

The turn shove needs to work about 50% of the time to be profitable and I think it works more often than that against his range there.

Your outlook is pessimistic rather than realistic.

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He has 54% stack left which is pretty damn close to half. If I am a caller in a hand then I am committed by having disposed 46% of my stack. Of course if I am barreling then I am never really committed.

Anyways I thoroughly respect your opinion and you game, I always learn from your posts so don't think that I am trying to be arrogant by any means. Have a good day.

I saw the comments and there is something i do not like but i see that no one said it. The reasoning is good but the sample is too small for that. But NVM me.