$5 NLHE 6-max: 4-bet bluffing a reg

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ScottishMatt

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Reg plays 17/15/9 (VP/PF/3B). He is going to be 3-betting us light here a decent amount, especially with our isolation of the fish. Are we happy with a 4-bet bluff occasionally? Sizing OK?

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UTG: $6.08
Hero (MP): $6.03
CO: $22.80
BTN: $5.72
SB: $4.14
BB: $12.50

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP with J
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UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, 1 fold, BTN raises to $0.60, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.40, BTN raises to $5, 1 fold
 
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if he's 3-betting light then why 4-bet?
 
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If this is 6 max, then villain is not betting light all that much. Not according to those stats anyway. If it was a 9 seat table with only 6 filled, then a case could possibly be made that villain is a bit loose, but nowhere near what I would judge able to bet light a decent amount.

Your hand is worth seeing a flop for sure, but pot control in this case could have been simply calling his .60 cent raise.

Something that hasn't been discussed around here lately is pot control.
 
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Just flat. If he's 3betting light you frequently have him dominated (plus AJs has fantastic implied odds), so see a flop.
 
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People are not 3betting you light a lot when you isolate fish!

Also their 3betting ranges are usually so tight here that AJs has REVERSE implied odds. I don't mind occasionally taking a line like this vs someone i know definitely is reiosing the fish wide, but $1.20 would be a better sizing.

Keep it simple!

Also think vs most regs in this spot, especially 5nl ones that folding to the 3bet is far > calling
 
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acky100 said:
People are not 3betting you light a lot when you isolate fish!

Also their 3betting ranges are usually so tight here that AJs has REVERSE implied odds. I don't mind occasionally taking a line like this vs someone i know definitely is reiosing the fish wide, but $1.20 would be a better sizing.

Keep it simple!








Also think vs most regs in this spot, especially 5nl ones that folding to the 3bet is far > calling
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can you explain how min raising is > than raising to $1.40 ,not too shore how this is keeping it simple , by min raising we don't learn anything about his range (just building a pot OOP) , if I was to raise this I would make it $1.60 , at least then we put the pressure on Villain . I just think that a min raise is not going to get a fold very often , and this would be a good result if hes 3 betting something like mid pair or AQ. Where as we are giving him better pot odds to call if we min click?
 
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kanselau said:
can you explain how min raising is > than raising to $1.40 ,not too shore how this is keeping it simple , by min raising we don't learn anything about his range (just building a pot OOP) , if I was to raise this I would make it $1.60 , at least then we put the pressure on Villain . I just think that a min raise is not going to get a fold very often , and this would be a good result if hes 3 betting something like mid pair or AQ. Where as we are giving him better pot odds to call if we min click?
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sizing is fine OOP. However most villain regs aren't flat calling 4 bets.
 
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Yoshimiii said:
sizing is fine OOP. However most villain regs aren't flat calling 4 bets.
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well if we just min raise them, we are giving them very attractive pot odds to call so maybe they should call

agree on fold
 
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At 5NL, bluffing in general doesn't get you far...
 
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@scottish mat, i really dont mind this play. as long as you got rid of it when he shoved. i would make it something like 1.85 though. to make sure im giving a clear message.
 
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vinylspiros said:
@scottish mat, i really dont mind this play. as long as you got rid of it when he shoved. i would make it something like 1.85 though. to make sure im giving a clear message.
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Too much for a 4 bet size. Hardly anyone calls 4 bets anyway.

OOP - 2.5x is fine
IP - 2x is fine
 
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Ya this guy is more of a nit than anything. I think folding is going to be the best option here unless there is some big history between the two of you and/or you know this guy is capable of thinking a bit deeper than most NL5 regs do in this spot. I wouldn't give too many of the regs (even the good ones) at NL5 credit for understanding the whole re-iso and isolator thing yet. Usually they are just 3betting their normal range here.
 
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