$5 NLHE 6-max: 3betting AKo from SB

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Hi, I'm just curious as to what peoples thoughts are to 3betting with AKo from the SB. Obviously you'll be OOP on the flop but is it still a profitable move?

Also was cbetting a good move even though I was OOP? And was I right to check/fold the turn to his bet?

Thanks all

Seat 1: Player1 ( $5.90 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, hands: 21
Seat 2: Hero ( $12.78 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 4.1, Hands: 27142
Seat 3: Player3 ( $10.01 USD ) - VPIP: 67, PFR: 33, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 3
Seat 4: Player4 ( $5.95 USD ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 13
Seat 5: Player5 ( $5.56 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 4
Seat 6: Player6 ( $8.55 USD ) - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 11
Hero posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kh Ac ]
Player4 folds
Player5 raises [$0.15 USD]
Player6 folds
Player1 folds
Hero raises [$0.43 USD]
Player3 calls [$0.40 USD]
Player5 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, 5s, 4s ]
Hero bets [$0.75 USD]
Player3 calls [$0.75 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
Hero checks
Player3 bets [$1.45 USD]
Hero folds
Player3 wins $1.45 USD
Player3 wins $2.44 USD from main pot
 
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3-betting AK from the blinds is absolutely the right play.

I'd prefer stabbing with AK of spades but we can't choose what cards we're dealt and there is only one opponent so I'd be c-betting almost always as well. Again nothing wrong.

I think the turn is again fine with only overcards and no flush or straight draws. The Jack is technically a scare card I guess, but only for the small-to-mid pocket pairs of his range. AQ and AJ of spades are both possible and likely to call, so I like how you made your decision here. I'd be check-folding the majority of the time. There's no guarantee that another broadway card will come on the river, and you'd have to check if another low card comes.

At this point, all the overcard "scare cards" that can come on the river except the queen actually give you the best hand.

I think it comes down to if you know he's capable of flatting with JJ/QQ instead of 4-betting you preflop, I'd check fold the turn as well. Otherwise, you can barrel the turn. AJ of spades has become a monster and is likely to jam or at least jam and is usually willing to stack off even against an overpair so if he flats, I think he's likelier to have something in the AQs/8s-10s, barring your read from playing with him.

So I think it's a well-played hand. You are probably not in very good shape when he calls pot-sized c-bet and the times you miss and go to the turn with A-high are more than compensated by the times you flop the ace and he has AQ/AJ.

The last thing I'd consider is, not whether to c-bet or not, but your c-bet sizing. The profitability of c-bets just isn't whether it'll work, but how much you need to get it done. Is full pot necessary here? I'd go for 2/3rds at max (provided you've shown down AA/KK in pots where you bet that amount as well), unless you had AKs. Do you c-bet full pot always?
 
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Personally Im barreling turn and then probably betting the river too.
 
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The last thing I'd consider is, not whether to c-bet or not, but your c-bet sizing. The profitability of c-bets just isn't whether it'll work, but how much you need to get it done. Is full pot necessary here? I'd go for 2/3rds at max (provided you've shown down AA/KK in pots where you bet that amount as well), unless you had AKs. Do you c-bet full pot always?

Thanks for all the useful points/insights, this was my first time playing 5nl so I was probably being a bit over the top with the bet sizing here, I usually cbet roughly 75% of the pot.

I think bet sizing/pot control is my current biggest flaw as I often fail to draw as much value as I possibly could out of big hands and often end up losing quite a lot on speculative/draw hands.
 
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Personally Im barreling turn and then probably betting the river too.

About a week ago I would've probably done this too, but I've been in so many situations where I've barrelled the turn and river and haven't hit anything and ended up losing to a pair and have lost a larger amount with only 6 outs (ignoring 10Q) for a straight can this really be profitable if they won't fold?
 
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3 barrel plz. No need to XF the turn.
 
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About a week ago I would've probably done this too, but I've been in so many situations where I've barrelled the turn and river and haven't hit anything and ended up losing to a pair and have lost a larger amount with only 6 outs (ignoring 10Q) for a straight can this really be profitable if they won't fold?

Consider villain will be floating a huge amount and we have a gutshot as well.
 
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You probably have 10 outs on the turn, keep firing.
 
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Not 3-betting AK from the SB is losing money rather said :) .

I barrel 2 streets here at least to make him fold 22-88 besides you have 2 overs + Gutters , decent outs. Probably jamming the river if I bet the turn.
i'd make it smaller tho on the flop , little over half pot.
 
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I have tried barrelling both flop and turn in this situation and have gotten some folds, although I still seem to be losing money with AK overall somehow.
 
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my advice would be to 3bet to 50/55cts, then OOP be ready to DB as at those limits I often see ppl flat AQ
 
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