$5 NLHE 6-max: 3-betted OOP and screwed up after the flop?

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pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

BB ($4.27)
UTG ($3.83) This guy is a 53/22 with a steal of 31 over 32 hands.
MP ($10.24)
Button ($8.68)
Hero (SB) ($8.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q
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, A
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UTG bets $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.64, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.49

Ok I am now thinking this was a bit of a loose play. By default I usually 3-bet with AQs vs an average guy from MP and this guy is UTG. I guess I justified the play to myself at the time because he was playing slightly short, is on the loose side, quite fishy and has folded to a 3-bet two out of three times. I feel the bet size is good however.

Flop: ($1.33) 3
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, 10
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, UTG calls $0.80

This is where the hand really goes to pot. I tried to think of what his calling range to a 3-bet would be but drew a blank and just c-betted and hoped for the best!

Turn: ($2.93) 6
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(2 players)

The board is still pretty dry and he has less than 1 pot's worth left in his stack so...

Hero bets $7.11 (All-In), UTG calls $2.39 (All-In)

River: ($7.71) 2
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(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $7.71 | Rake: $0.37
 
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preflop is standard against this person, you're raising for value. Flop is ok but on the turn i just check/fold. BTW the board isnt dry
 
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I hate a flop with 9 10 on it against a fish. It just make the hand so much harder to bluff at as you don't know if they are drawing or just cant fold bottom pair.

Because he's a fish he'll give you all the info you need if you check the flop. He'll check behind with monsters and draws and bet with a made hand.

As for the pre flop play, i don't see anything wrong with it at all.
 
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im saying that a 53/22 doesn't usually check behind with monsters or draws
 
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Preflop I'd make it 0.55-0.60 because you're out of position. Then bet larger on the flop. Your flop bet size says "I didn't hit anything and don't have a pocket pair". If villain calls the bigger flop bet, then check it down or fold if he bets, his stack is so low he'll be getting it all in and you'll double him up if you called with air.
 
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Played it fine until the turn where it's a c/f. If that board isn't wet then what is? It sucks and it's weak and it's a very common scenario but there's nothing you can do about it, no other option is more profitable with this kind of player.
 
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Don't like 3betting this preflop. He's bad and loose and he's very likely to give you his money postflop.

I guess I justified the play to myself at the time because he was playing slightly short, is on the loose side, quite fishy and has folded to a 3-bet two out of three times.

So are you 3betting because you want him to fold?
 
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Why wouldn't you 3 bet this WV? If we can get more value out of this hand preflop, why not?
 
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Why wouldn't you 3 bet this WV? If we can get more value out of this hand preflop, why not?

Position, stack size, and our opponent. If we 3bet and he folds that's not horrible but we haven't given ourselves a chance to win his stack. If we 3bet and he shoves we're committed to calling with probably around 40% equity. If we 3bet and he calls, we end up OOP with an SPR under 3, great if we hit a pair or decent draw but not so good otherwise.
 
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Flop: ($1.33) 3
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(2 players)

Turn: ($2.93) 6
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(2 players)

The board is still pretty dry

The board is still pretty dry, what?!

Steal stat is irrelevant, has he got any idea of positional awareness? Not talking about steals, more like raising range UTG vs MP vs LP. If he does, I 3bet, if not I flat to keep in more of his range.
 
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Interesting thanks for the response
 
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The board is still pretty dry, what?!

Steal stat is irrelevant, has he got any idea of positional awareness? Not talking about steals, more like raising range UTG vs MP vs LP. If he does, I 3bet, if not I flat to keep in more of his range.

Well to be fair, considering he kinds of hands he is likely to show up with I'd say the board is far from wet! I had considered the C/F line but like said, its a horrible and weak play but probably in hindsight the best option!

To be quite honest, I had'nt really thought about what I wanted the 3-bet to acheive. I just flet it was a good spot to 3-bet!

TorreyB sugeested betting less because I am out of position, this makes no sence to me whatsoever, I always bet a little more when OOP.

FWIW, he called and showed 44. Horribly played by him but I can kinda see no that a shorter stack might under bet a low pocket pair in his spot, perhaps he was set mining!?
 
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Position, stack size, and our opponent. If we 3bet and he folds that's not horrible but we haven't given ourselves a chance to win his stack. If we 3bet and he shoves we're committed to calling with probably around 40% equity. If we 3bet and he calls, we end up OOP with an SPR under 3, great if we hit a pair or decent draw but not so good otherwise.

Assuming he calls 3-bets with a wide range don't we stand to make a lot more ? Or is it that when we miss he will push us off our hand because he's aggressive and has position and there's nothing we can do about it ?
 
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Assuming he calls 3-bets with a wide range don't we stand to make a lot more ? Or is it that when we miss he will push us off our hand because he's aggressive and has position and there's nothing we can do about it ?

Yeah, basically. I mean if he's willing to get it in with 44 in this hand do we really think he's going to fold if we flat and hit TP?
 
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Well to be fair, considering he kinds of hands he is likely to show up with I'd say the board is far from wet! I had considered the C/F line but like said, its a horrible and weak play but probably in hindsight the best option!

I think with his stats there are a lot of overs + single clubs like KcQx or AcJx, as well as mid pocket pairs with clubs (for fish basically anything 77+ a lot of the time) which with less than a potsize bet he'll often find obliged to peel
 
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