$5 NLHE 6-max: 3 Bad Flop Play Leads to a Scramble Post Flop. Thoughts on Line and Thought Process??

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$5 NLHE 6-max: 3 Bad Flop Play Leads to a Scramble Post Flop. Thoughts on Line and Thought Process??

Have this hand posted in my challenge thread, but wanted to post it here to get some feedback.

Gonna post the hh first without the results, then add my thought process and the results after a few replies.


pokerstars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

SB: $6.76 (27/17 Afq 50. Limp/calls oop a lot. c/c's oop a lot. Really fishy)
BB: $5.00 (23/9 AFq 48. Very straight forward, will 100%c-bet. Gives up when facing resistance unless holding nuts or near nuts)
UTG: $5.21
CO: $5.05
Hero (BTN): $13.18 (21/15 AFq 70.24)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has Ad Ts

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.15, SB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.90, 3 players) Ac Ks 8d
SB checks, BB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, SB calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.40, 3 players) 6s
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.05, SB calls $1.05, fold

River: ($4.50, 2 players) 5h
SB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50
 
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Why call pre, why bet turn?
 
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Why call pre, why bet turn?

6-1 immediate odds against 2 bad players with position. And the turn bet was because I actually thought I was ahead at that point.

Like I said, I'm going to post my entire thought process a bit later. I think this is one of those spots that beginners and rec players get themselves into often, and thought it warranted taking a look at it to discuss possible thoughts and lines that could be taken after getting into a shitty jam like this.
 
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I prob 4bet, dunno if its bad
 
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You obv outdrew BB otf. So it's all about whether SB has your TP iffy kicker beat. Sometimes he does, and sometimes he doesn't, so I guess calling the riv is OK. Pre flop is close though because you have horrible reverse implied odds vs BB despite being IP with strong reads and a semi-decent hand.
 
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never calling pre, like cafe said horrible reverse implied odds. not 4betting in BB seems straight forward and doesn't get out of line
 
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. Gives up when facing resistance unless holding nuts or near nuts)[/B]

this made me think he folds alot of his 3bet range to a 4bet, A10=Ax so its obv a bluff but i dont think its a terrible spot for it. If they open 99+ AJ+ and fold JJ and AQ.

again dunno if its bad
 
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this made me think he folds alot of his 3bet range to a 4bet, A10=Ax so its obv a bluff but i dont think its a terrible spot for it. If they open 99+ AJ+ and fold JJ and AQ.

again dunno if its bad

In hindsight, I think this is a fair assessment. But I was wary of the tight open stat and felt this player could easily 5-bet me (who was active and aggressive in position) with JJ-QQ. Was not really looking to get into a flip while likely dominated. With his passive tendencies poat flop I thought it better to just flat and see if I could find a spot to take it away post.

Anyways, here's what I was thinking when it was clicked to me on the turn:

"Did BB have a mid pp that missed it's set? He does usually shut down if facing resistance....surely if he had s strong value hand he'd bet the safe turn....what is Sb doing in here still?....I bet he ch/called with a weak ace, so I'm surely beating him. if he had a draw or Kx hand, I'm ahead of that also...by betting here, I think the BB will fold any non-made hand...I'm sure of it....will the Sb call with his ace?....probably.... how much to bet...don't want to put too much out there in case BB is running a trap....is he capable of that? probably not, but maybe....I have been pretty aggressive in position and betting/raising a lot when I see any weakness......I think a buck oughta be enough to fold out any drawy hands from this passive player, but still keep the fish SB in with his weak ace or king hand, or at the very least tell me right now if i'm crushed....."

Results:

SB shows 3c Ah (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 30%, Flop 21%, Turn 14%)
Hero shows Ad Ts (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 70%, Flop 79%, Turn 86%)
Hero wins $7.19
 
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Really I don't think postflop is really worth analysing as this is a clear fold pre.
 
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Really I don't think postflop is really worth analysing as this is a clear fold pre.

Obv. But in this case I didn't fold pre. And many players get into spots like this by not folding pre. Please know though, I'm in no way defending my actions. I put myself into a shit spot by playing bad pre and I really should have never been there. At this point there are two options; cut and run, or use your knowledge to try to make a bad situation profitable. I tried the latter.
 
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Now if SB has AJo, you post all this even then?
 
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