$5 NLHE 6-max: 2-Par facing raise on the turn

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PF and flop are quite standard, but on the turn he raises me.
I thought maybe he could have a straight or a set, but a set would have raised the flop already. so I call the turn, since he only could have a straight with QT and I don't think that this hand would call my PF raise. Also the raise is pretty small.

Am I right here?


Pacific $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $7.10 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 2,4, Hands: 24717
SB: $5.76 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 18, 3B: 13, AF: 1,5, hands: 22
BB: $7.12 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 13, 3B: 12, AF: 3,5, Hands: 98
UTG: $6.00 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 19, 3B: 17, AF: 1,5, Hands: 64
MP: $5.25 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 15, 3B: 14, AF: 8,0, Hands: 34
CO: $5.12 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 1,5, Hands: 103

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with 8:club: 9:heart:
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) 9:diamond: 8:diamond: K:heart: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.24, BB calls $0.24

Turn: ($0.80) J:club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.80

River: ($3.20) 4:club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
 
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Nh, imo.


It doesn't have to mean set/straight when he raises, though. KT could play it the same as well. Or any two diamonds (possibly with the Td).
 
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PF and flop are quite standard, but on the turn he raises me.
I thought maybe he could have a straight or a set, but a set would have raised the flop already. so I call the turn, since he only could have a straight with QT and I don't think that this hand would call my PF raise. Also the raise is pretty small.

Am I right here?


Pacific $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $7.10 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 2,4, Hands: 24717
SB: $5.76 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 18, 3B: 13, AF: 1,5, Hands: 22
BB: $7.12 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 13, 3B: 12, AF: 3,5, Hands: 98
UTG: $6.00 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 19, 3B: 17, AF: 1,5, Hands: 64
MP: $5.25 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 15, 3B: 14, AF: 8,0, Hands: 34
CO: $5.12 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 1,5, Hands: 103

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with 8<font color='black'>♣</font> 9<font color='red'>♥</font>
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) 9<font color='red'>♦</font> 8<font color='red'>♦</font> K<font color='red'>♥</font> (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.24, BB calls $0.24

Turn: ($0.80) J<font color='black'>♣</font> (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.80

River: ($3.20) 4<font color='black'>♣</font> (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks


First off, haven't read other replies (reply, whatever).

Tighten up dude. 8-9o? Gosh you people at 6-max are loose.

As far as your comment about Q-10... Never ever assume that an opponent will or won't do something. We can't control what our opponents do, and we certainly can't believe they share our thought process, or our hand selection, or they play a certain way, etc. So don't discount a hand because "I don't think that this hand would call my PF raise"


As played:

I mash the pot button on the flop. Plenty of draws to get value from.

As played, on the turn....

The only hands he raises with, that I feel you beat, is J-10, and Ad-Jd. So yeah, I just fold.

As played, on the river.... I like the check back. Shocked villain checked here.... but if I was playing this hand, I would have probably folded pre, and I would have folded the turn if I played it just like you.
 
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Nh, imo.


It doesn't have to mean set/straight when he raises, though. KT could play it the same as well. Or any two diamonds (possibly with the Td).


Touche about K-10. I like this response. Do you really think we are ahead enough to call turn, and possibly a big river bet here? Maybe I am just such a nit from playing FR all the time.
 
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you really think 98o on the button is too loose? like not even close?
 
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Don't think it's even close given the players in the blinds. Especially since the SB/BB 3-bet like 13%. But since it's Blind v BTN, you're going to get 3-bet way more than that. And making pairs with 98o isn't exactly great. Opening 98o is probably going to be -EV.

Turn is probably a fold. You don't really beat any value hands. You're only really ahead of a pair that turned a straight draw, but even then he's not going to CR those that often.
 
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Tighten up dude. 8-9o? Gosh you people at 6-max are loose.
What the hell? We're the button and those blinds are pretty nitty. NOT opening this is passing up free money. Seriously.

And it's easy to get away from when they 3-bet.
 
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What the hell? We're the button and those blinds are pretty nitty. NOT opening this is passing up free money. Seriously.

And it's easy to get away from when they 3-bet.

Ok. I'll give that one to ya. Sure, we can open it, but I fold turn when we get c/r.
 
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I'd play this the same way as well. Weird that villain checked on the river though. If they had bet you would have been in a tough spot for sure.....

Hrm, maybe I just uncovered a leak in my game. If villain bets on the river here do we call? And if we fold then why wouldn't we fold the turn?

98o is pretty loose for FR but 6max otb its low but a standard open.
 
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I open J2s from the button regularly. 89o is more than fine from a steal pout of view. I'm calling turn IP because we might have the best hand and we have redraws. I'm kind of confused by the c/r on this board, so I could see a fold, but we do have nice backup in case we are wrong,
 
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I like your play, at 2/5 opp. could be raising "to see where they're at". I'm tempted to bet the river as played.. can't see KJ,88,99,QTs playing like this or calling K9 pf

I disagree about them folding QT pf, maybe QTs plays
 
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