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Just got to this table. No reads on anyone. Trying something new here.

pokerstars Game #8869562017: Hold'em Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) -
2007/03/12 - 16:54:40 (ET)
Table 'Phereclos IV' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: m.cello ($14.50 in chips)
Seat 2: XHacksoreX ($18.50 in chips)
Seat 3: iceman304 ($4.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Any-Jokers? ($5.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Matrixx777 ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 6: klitkat ($14.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Pecurtador ($9.65 in chips)
Seat 8: liji ($26.80 in chips)
liji: posts small blind $0.10
m.cello: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to klitkat [6h 5h]
XHacksoreX: calls $0.25
iceman304: folds
Percenterror joins the table at seat #9
Any-Jokers?: calls $0.25
Matrixx777: calls $0.25
klitkat: raises $1.25 to $1.50
Pecurtador: calls $1.50
liji: folds
m.cello: calls $1.25
XHacksoreX: calls $1.25
Any-Jokers?: folds
Matrixx777: calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [Qs 8h 2h]
 
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you sily silly girl.lol don't ever let me see you post in the bad beat section again:p
 
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*** FLOP *** [Qs 8h 2h]
m.cello: checks
XHacksoreX: checks
Matrixx777: checks
klitkat is disconnected
klitkat is connected
klitkat: bets $1.50
Pecurtador: folds
m.cello: calls $1.50
XHacksoreX: folds
Matrixx777: calls $1.50
 
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Just got to this table. No reads on anyone. Trying something new here.

PokerStars Game #8869562017: Hold'em Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) -
2007/03/12 - 16:54:40 (ET)
Table 'Phereclos IV' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: m.cello ($14.50 in chips)
Seat 2: XHacksoreX ($18.50 in chips)
Seat 3: iceman304 ($4.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Any-Jokers? ($5.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Matrixx777 ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 6: klitkat ($14.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Pecurtador ($9.65 in chips)
Seat 8: liji ($26.80 in chips)
liji: posts small blind $0.10
m.cello: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to klitkat [6h 5h]
XHacksoreX: calls $0.25
iceman304: folds
Percenterror joins the table at seat #9
Any-Jokers?: calls $0.25
Matrixx777: calls $0.25
klitkat: raises $1.25 to $1.50
Pecurtador: calls $1.50
liji: folds
m.cello: calls $1.25
XHacksoreX: calls $1.25
Any-Jokers?: folds
Matrixx777: calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [Qs 8h 2h]

shouldn't be in pot, with 2 limper's before you and you are the cutoff. With this hand you really want to have the ability to take people off their hands and you dont have that. I think if you are going to make a play at the hand you even have to bet more then that. There was .85 in pot and you made it 1.50 to call soooo that isnt enough. I only like playing hands like this if I can be the one opening the pot, other wards everyone folds to me.


on the flop you have to lead out though but you are going to have to fold to a shove of course. I would lead out this pot at least 80% of the time, you need to try to represent a real big hand, I might even try check raising but not sure I really dont know about your opponents. If you get called unless you pick up a pair or that straight draw cards you need to go into check/fold mode. I really dont like the spot you have gotten yourself into I might even be inclined to just check/fold the flop because there are way 2 many people in this pot. I might just chalk it up as tried to make a play and didnt work.
 
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i am biting my nails now klitkat:confused:
 
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*** FLOP *** [Qs 8h 2h]
m.cello: checks
XHacksoreX: checks
Matrixx777: checks
klitkat is disconnected
klitkat is connected
klitkat: bets $1.50
Pecurtador: folds
m.cello: calls $1.50
XHacksoreX: folds
Matrixx777: calls $1.50

who is going to fold for that? I would call with bottom pair here because of implied odds. Now I really really give up on hand.

actually I would re-raise you with bottom pair that looks soo much like a blocking bet, I would right away put you on the flush draw.

I dont know how these players just call that weak bet.
 
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Why raise preflop? You have a hand that plays best multiway and are forcing people out with the raise, which would often result in you being HU/3-handed to the flop (obv not in this case though, heh). Makes very little sense.

As played check flop and (probably) see a free turn card. There would be nothing worse than getting check-raised and forced off your draw here.
 
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depends

Why raise preflop? You have a hand that plays best multiway and are forcing people out with the raise, which would often result in you being HU/3-handed to the flop (obv not in this case though, heh). Makes very little sense.

As played check flop and (probably) see a free turn card. There would be nothing worse than getting check-raised and forced off your draw here.

I also thought this but after watching these videos I realized that raising with this preflop is a +ev play depending on your position. I always thought you were supposed to just limp here but the problem is you have no clue how good you are preflop. Where if you bet you can get a better feeling what the callers might have and could take the pot away from them on flop depending on texture of it or you could hit hard.

plus you give yourself the option of winning preflop. I agree though with how many are in this pot you need to check/fold.
 
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I think you should have stayed disconnected
 
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These are the kinds of hands that make poker so interesting. I wouldn't be so inclined to make this play without being at a table for a while though. If you have the TAG image and feel like playing your suited connectors like aces that's fine and throws people off of their read on you but it doesn't work to your advantage after just sitting down at a table. I do think the preflop raise was a little small if you're going to make this play. I'm not to sure how I would play this flop though. It's a tough spot to be in....actually I have no idea what I'd do as I'm sitting here typing this. How'd this play out?
 
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*** TURN *** [Qs 8h 2h] [Ac]
m.cello: checks
Matrixx777: checks
klitkat: bets $1.50
m.cello: raises $2.50 to $4
Matrixx777: folds
klitkat: calls $2.50
 
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what are you doing? Now villain HAS to put you on flush so if you hit on river you most likely will get no action. What other hand bets then just calls with all those possible draws out.
 
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I dont know how these players just call that weak bet.

what are you doing? Now villain HAS to put you on flush so if you hit on river you most likely will get no action. What other hand bets then just calls with all those possible draws out.

What levels do you think I was playing at? This was .10/.25. I think a bet of $1.50 at beginning is saying something.
 
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I know

What levels do you think I was playing at? This was .10/.25. I think a bet of $1.50 at beginning is saying something.


What are you trying to represent with that? your bet with 2 limpers before you is called a squeeze, Usually the original person needs to bet in order to squeeze but you need to bet big to represent a big hand. With this hand you are either limping and praying to flop a monster or you are betting big trying to represent a monster. On flop your bet is crazy low and it looks like a blocking bet, anyone with any common sense would re-raise you here. On turn with only 1 card to come once you are played back at you need to either re-raise REAL BIG or just get rid of the hand. If this player is paying any attention at all he would put you on a draw. What do you plan on doing if your draw misses on river check/fold? or bluff?

If it is bluff then any player with any common sense would call you, there are tons of scare cards that could come to complete a drawing hand on river but I still dont see playing the hand like this would ever be profitable. I think on turn you need to just check/fold and give up on it, its not worth it.
 
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Well you know, earlier roundcat started a thread about intuition. I know it sounds stupid but I listen to it when it screams at me. And it did during this hand.

*** RIVER *** [Qs 8h 2h Ac] [Qh]
m.cello: checks
klitkat: bets $5
m.cello: calls $5
*** SHOW DOWN ***
klitkat: shows [6h 5h] (a flush, Queen high)
m.cello: mucks hand
klitkat collected $28.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $30.35 | Rake $1.45
Board [Qs 8h 2h Ac Qh]
Seat 1: m.cello (big blind) mucked [Ks Ad]
Seat 2: XHacksoreX folded on the Flop
Seat 3: iceman304 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Any-Jokers? folded before Flop
Seat 5: Matrixx777 folded on the Turn
Seat 6: klitkat showed [6h 5h] and won ($28.90) with a flush, Queen
high
Seat 7: Pecurtador (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: liji (small blind) folded before Flop
 
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but that is just being result orientated, I play a lag style poker and I cant like the way this hand was played at all. I would of payed you off also for $5 on river but in long run playing hand like this loses you money, do the math.
 
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No this isn't results oriented. I have been trying something new and am keeping track of my play. I'll let you know the results after about 50 hands playing like this.
 
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What exactly was your 'intuition' telling you here?
 
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Just got to this table. No reads on anyone. Trying something new here.

I quite like this play myself, dont want to be doing it too often mind. You've built a good pot preflop, but I think a smaller bet would entice more money into the pot on the flop.

On the turn, you have 4.4/1 (if my calculations are right) so you can call the small re-raise (although I would be thinking AQ might be in m.cello's range).

Think the river bet is just right to get paid (is he really calling TPTK with 2 queens & a flush draw on the river?), although I would veer towards a call/fold if re-raised.

Stormswa, I think your looking at this a standard bluff - push people out play, which it may have started as. Suited connectors IMO are great for building pots, and when the get flop potential, are so hard for an opponent to read you. Look at it as an "inverted" play...?!
 
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lol, nice.. but we all know that it won't go this way most of the time.
 
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nice play but it don't and won't work for me like that!! i can guess what people have, but i don't have a clue whats gonna fall lol kills me on the river everytime! :) :joyman:
 
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Nothing wrong with mixing it up.

But when you got the two hearts on flop, thats your dream flop basically. Id have bet pot.
 
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