£400 PLO Full Ring: 2/5 PLO Live Turn/ River decision

So I'm at the VIC in a 2/5 PLO game. Everyone (and I mean everyone) at this table (9 handed) is 3K deep.

I am in the small blind and I have KhQhJc4c and am almost 100% sure I butchered this hand.

UTG Folds, UTG1 puts 10 in the pot thinking it was a straddle and MP1 raises to 40. Folds around to CO who calls 40, folds to me in the SB and I call, big blind calls and UTG1 calls.

MP1 is new to the table, He sat with 5K and I know he plays high and I know he is super aggro and puts tons of money into the pot, hes the definition of an action player in the sense that he raises and 3 bets light preflop and c bets a huge portion of his range. He is tighter on the turn and river but still will fire bets.

CO is a middle age Chinese businessman, by my estimation he is stuck like 5k and he basically plays all his hands, he bets a lot postflop and calls down super light, IE 2 pair on straight/ flush board for like 60bb etc.

Flop comes KsTc5c. I check and it goes to MP1 raises almost pot to 175. CO calls and I call and everyone else folds.

Turn brings the Ad and I check followed by both of them checking.

River brings the 8c and everyone checks again. I win the pot obv.

Now I was discussing this hand with a player at the table and I think I agree with him in that leading the turn is the best play there. Now the way I played it was because both of those guys were hyper aggressive and I just though they would fire a bet on the turn. The idea behind the turn bet is that I will get tons of action from sets, Flushdraws and someone with a dry QJ will put money in and I have redraws to beat that. I also block the flushdraws if they are drawing to the nut flush.

The river is more difficult to bet, it is very likely that someone is drawing to the club flush as well and I only have 4th nuts. Now it was also discussed that this might be a bet fold but I somehow again believe that one of these 2 players are capable of firing a bluff on the river or overvaluing something else.

I just want to get some thoughts on this one.

I think you covered it pretty well. Turn is a clear bet because you could turn QJ face up and still get action from worse.

River is interesting; I like checking to induce vs. bluffy players but what you haven't mentioned is your own image, and your history with them. If they perceive you as stealing the pot, especially the Chinese guy who calls off light, I'd go for a 2/3 pot bet.

Sorry yea I'm a nit so I haven't been stealing the river ever

disclaimer: don't play much plo

Preflop is a bit loose though right? Especially this deep oop seems like a fold pre.

Flop is obviously standard and I agree with leading turn. The problem is 3-way on that board honestly one player will have QJ a lot and there are a ton of strong draws that won't fold so both of the other two players shouldn't be bluffing much at all. I also think if they're not that good at plo that if you bet they could raise naked QJ and you could get it in freerolling a good amount of the time, obviously sucks when you're up against QJ+better FD though and I don't know enough about plo preflop ranges to know how often you're freerolling vs. getting freerolled if stacks go in.

River I think betting is spew pretty sure against most good (especially live players who tend to be nittier I think) players ch/f is actually the best line. If you perceive them to be super bluffy I guess ch/c is better but one of them is actually going to have a better flush a decent amount of the time and when they don't they're just gonna fold. It's just that even fish probably love playing AxXxXX a lot and might have close to all AsXsXX in his range. Again I'm not sure about preflop ranges just sorta throwing out some ideas. I'm pretty sure about turn being a bet though, that's the one street I think I'm confident on.

hackmeplz said:

disclaimer: don't play much plo

Preflop is a bit loose though right? Especially this deep oop seems like a fold pre.

Flop is obviously standard and I agree with leading turn. The problem is 3-way on that board honestly one player will have QJ a lot and there are a ton of strong draws that won't fold so both of the other two players shouldn't be bluffing much at all. I also think if they're not that good at plo that if you bet they could raise naked QJ and you could get it in freerolling a good amount of the time, obviously sucks when you're up against QJ+better FD though and I don't know enough about plo preflop ranges to know how often you're freerolling vs. getting freerolled if stacks go in.

River I think betting is spew pretty sure against most good (especially live players who tend to be nittier I think) players ch/f is actually the best line. If you perceive them to be super bluffy I guess ch/c is better but one of them is actually going to have a better flush a decent amount of the time and when they don't they're just gonna fold. It's just that even fish probably love playing AxXxXX a lot and might have close to all AsXsXX in his range. Again I'm not sure about preflop ranges just sorta throwing out some ideas. I'm pretty sure about turn being a bet though, that's the one street I think I'm confident on.

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Yep 100% agree.

Preflop is indeed a bit loose but based on game flow etc, its definitely worth it in this spot. The OOP sucks obv and the 4 is a bit of a buzzkill but because of the size of the pot and expected 5 way, it is more than worth it to look at the flop. Also because we are so deep I dont mind calling.

Not an authority at all on PLO either, take advice fwiw.

PF seems fine this deep, despite not having any nuttiness to your hand. I lead turn always, for this reason:

baudib1 said:

Turn is a clear bet because you could turn QJ face up and still get action from worse.

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Seems like a super standard near-pot lead for me with CO in the hand who will be chasing everything and calling down with all kinds of 2pair/pair+draws kinds of hands.