$400 NLHE Full Ring: Thin value bet on the river and 2 barrel bluff went wrong

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Hi guys, 2 interesting hands I have played last night at a cash game where I am not sure if my plays were justified. Live $2/$4 table

Hand 1
Villain(CO): ~ $400. He just 3 outed me in a big pot couple orbits before where I hero called his all in bluff with AK high against his KQ high
Hero (BTN): ~ $650.

UTG+2 limped, Villain(CO) limped. Hero(BTN) raised to $16 with Jd10d. Blinds folded, both limpers called. Flop 8c 8s 2d. Both checked to Hero who cbet $32 hoping to take down the pot. Villain smooth called.

Turn Js. Hero was confident he had the best hand putting Villain on a medium to small pair. Villain check called $72. River 3c. Villain checked again. Hero made a marginal value bet of $140. Villain called and shower AsJh. Not sure if Hero should made the river bet but Villian's line was pretty weak?

Hand 2

Villain(UTG+2): ~$ 500
Hero(BTN): ~ $550
Sleeper straddle is on. Hero is last to act preflop on the button.

UTG and Villain both limped to Hero on the BTN with 6d9d. Hero raised to $ 42 hoping to take down. Both UTG and Villain called.

Flop 5c 8s 2d. Both players checked to Hero. Hero had bet almost 90% throughout the night when checked to on the flop, so he did not want to get blown out of the pot with 4 outs if the players in front happen to have a hand or suspect hero was making a play. Turn 2s. Both players checked to Hero again. Hero bet $110. Villain called after a long tank.

River Js. Villain checked again. Knowing 8 high was probably no good, Hero bet $ 260. Villain called after tanking for 3 minutes and showed AdJc... Genuinely shocked to see that hand.

Asked the Villian afterwards about his plan on the river if a blank hit and he claimed he would have led out to bluff me off the hand because he suspect I was bluffing on the turn. I should have probably bet the flop but I don't think Villain could possibly call the river had he not hit a Ace or Jack. Other than the missing flop bet, had I make any mistake in this hand and should I give up the turn and river bet in retrospect?

Many thanks for your kind insights.
 
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Hand 1 - Check back this river for sure after the way we played by double barreling post flop.

Hand 2 -
Hero had bet almost 90% throughout the night when checked to on the flop, so he did not want to get blown out of the pot with 4 outs if the players in front happen to have a hand or suspect hero was making a play.

You must not raise pre flop if you choose to check back this flop. Also you should have already noticed how these villains to your right and limping in with far better hands than yours to play with you post flop. You are playing with a little too much aggression and villain's are adapting to your play. You should adapt accordingly as well. :)
 
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Really good point from Suby about villains limping strongish hands against you. +1
JT suited is fine to raise here in position imo. However I play that hand to make straights and flushes not to get married to potentially dominated top pair hands.
I don't see any point in cbetting an 882 flop here with our hand, no other pairs are going away and we are betting into a pot where we are likely to be behind and we need running cards to make a strong hand. Players limping are often QJ QT KJ AT mainly suited. Once I get called on the turn you have to now consider a made hand I suppose its possible he is calling you down but what with? 66 77 maybe. The only draw is 9T which missed and gives up unless you give him a chance to bluff. As played I think thin value betting is ok but I would expect to see some bigger jacks the problem is that you built a bigger pot than you should by betting the flop.
 
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Hand 2.
They didn't believe you on the last hand so why now?
Checking behind is fine with the gutshot if it comes in you may get well paid.
If they both check twice clearly that is the green light to take it away but what are we repping other than trip 2 or a pair of 5s. If we had an 8 we would have protected it by betting the flop. Clearly his plan to bluff first on the river is valid as other than the 2s we can't have much.
I would tighten up a touch against these players and keep to small hand small pot; big hand big pot.
 
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