Are people really giving an UTGs opening range KK+ right now? Or a Buttons SQUEEZE 3 bet range KK+, AK? That they are advocating folding pre (after we have severely under-repped our hand). If that's the case we are either
1) Seeing monsters in the closet
2) At the worst table in world history and deserve to stack off for sitting at this table in the first place
Backraising is pretty bad IMO bc it kind of turns our hand into a bluff, in the sense that we are gunna fold out worse almost always (Im pretty sure QQ is at the bottom of our back raising range here) and stack off to KK+
Originally Posted by baudib1
Problem is this is an aggressive player with position who is representing the top of his range by 3-betting an UTG open and firing into two on a pretty scary flop. If he's capable of bluffing into two, including a shortstack and a solid reg, he's probably capable of firing again if he doesn't have us crushed already.
Not expecting many easy turn/river decisions, we're basically looking to draw to 1/2 an out (A spades, which he probably has half the time here).
Sure the flop is a sticky spot, but that isn't reason enough for not playing the pot (although yea a general rule of thumb is to avoid these sticky situations the less experience you have).
People aren't taking into considering the (large imo) amount of times villain will shutdown the turn once called here and the pot represents his stack. Most unknowns don't have it in them to barrel air a 2nd all in shell here, and most of them also are checking behind TxTs JxJs type hands for pot control/showdown value on blank turns.... about the only "bluff" i'd expect on the turn from an unknown is AsXx (and there's some debate as to whether he'd take the free card with this holding anyway given the pot and stack sizes and the fact that he may not have much fold equity)
But it is pretty close (hence why i think the turn discussion is the more interesting scenario)
but if you are folding the flop then what was our plan on 9d 7h 3s boards? Or 8s 6s 3s ones?
Again I realize it's a sticky spot post... but thats not reason enough to avoid it when we have the best holding/best draw a majority of the time