$400 NLHE Full Ring: Nut FD w/2 overs facing donk bet

Hi guys I played an interesting hand yesterday at a 2/5 NL and would like some feedback on my hand analysis.

Starting stacks:

Hero: $500
Villain: $425
CO: $1000

A reg loose Villain limps UTG. Hero opens to $30 in MP holding A:club: K:club: Villain and the CO both call.

The flop comes: 9:club: 6:club: 3:spade: $97 in pot

Villain leads out for $50. At this point, Villain's lead indicates 9x type hand which is very common for players to have at these stakes. If Villain had 33, 66 he would most likely c/r. After taking all of this into consideration I opted to raise to $150 since I have plenty of F/E against such a player. Even if he calls, I can barrel 90% of missed turns and get him to fold TP. I am aware that there is still another loose player to act behind in the CO but I figured he will not continue unless he is very strong. When I raised to $150, the CO indeed called and Villain called as well.

The turn brings a 9:spade: $547 in pot.

Villain shoves for his remaining $245. Hero???

Thanks for the feedback guys!!!

This hand is interesting. I do not think you have the odds to call though and it is hard to do the math with a player still left to act behind you. Have you considered to shove the flop for max FE?

swingro said:

This hand is interesting. I do not think you have the odds to call though and it is hard to do the math with a player still left to act behind you. Have you considered to shove the flop for max FE?

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I would have considered it if I didn't have another player to act behind me.

I believe you have to fold this one. I'm counting on at least one of them to have a set fairly often.

As for the flop, I think you should just call. I believe the donk bet is actually very likely to be a set or a flush draw. If it is a set he isn't folding to a raise and if it is a flush draw then you definitely want it to hit. Also if the other guy comes along for a raise or whatever then you can shove all-in when it gets back to you.

I also think your opening size could be smaller. I think $30 is too much. Your opponent in the SB is much more likely to have a small pocket pair since most hands he'll fold since your raise is so big.

At first glance I thought shoving all-in on flop was best, but after thinking about it a bit more, I like a call.

i think you played allright, and can't do much with that horrible turn, you could be drawing dead there.

I would probably call the flop since donkbets with 2 to speak in 2/5 games rarely mean villain is going to fold anything there, and that could just give some odds for the other one to come along.

So, basically, flop i would try to see the turn for cheap and if i got a raise from the CO i would try to get it in, it is such a strong hand to fold there, but it weakens a lot at some turns (wich was one of those you got)

I think UTG limper might actually have the set already and tried to confuse you, i don't know wth might the CO have though, maybe some sort of TJ of clubs? a fold is fine at the turn


im curious about what happened there

I think that a fold is a right play in this situation on the run but raising on the flop will be an equally good play.

So we are at crossroads on the flop whether to go left / (raise) or go right / (call).
Whatever you choose - it's your choice as both are right in my mind. But the turn is a fold once you choose to call the flop and villain shoves on turn. :willy:

suby_rafael said:

I think that a fold is a right play in this situation on the run but raising on the flop will be an equally good play.

So we are at crossroads on the flop whether to go left / (raise) or go right / (call).
Whatever you choose - it's your choice as both are right in my mind. But the turn is a fold once you choose to call the flop and villain shoves on turn. :willy:

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Against 2 loose players just call the flop , after all you only have ace high and you have a lot less fold equity then you would against nits.

Second problem with raising is CO witch has position on you .

Against 2 loose players you don't have as much fold equity as you think.
Keep the pot small until you hit your flush. Fold to any substantial action on the turn.

If you are heads up and have position a raise is better. as you have more fold equity and you likely get a check on the turn and a free card.

Try not too stack off 100bb too much with flush draws , that's just pure gambling , good cash poker is a lot more than that.

the CO cold-calling the donk, followed by your raise is a little frightening. i'm going to be done with the hand if i don't improve. i fold on the turn. you don't have quite the equity to draw to a flush, you could be dead, and you're facing a fairly likely raise behind you. get out of there.