$400 NLHE Full Ring: Middle set vs loose villain on super wet board

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Hi guys I played an interesting hand yesterday and would like some feedback on the way I approached the hand.

Starting stacks:
Hero: $1000
Villain: $457

Hero opens to $15 UTG holding 8:spade: 8:diamond: UTG+1, MP2, CO, and Villain in the BB call.

The flop comes: 4:spade: 5:diamond: 6:heart: $76 in pot

Villain checks. Hero bets $50. UTG+1 and MP2 fold. The CO and BB both call.

The turn brings an 8:heart: $226 in pot

Villain in the BB leads out for $100. Hero calls. The CO folds. Calling here appeared to be the best option as raising would only get 7x type hands to call.

The river brings a Q:heart: $426 in pot

Villain shoves all-in for his remaining $292. Hero???

Villain is a regular loose aggressive fish who plays a very wide range of hands, chases draws, and bluffs occasionally. Villain's turn lead seems as if he is protecting his straight against back door draws. Moreover, given that I am only getting approx 1.5 to 1 I didn't feel like villain would bluff 40% of the time in this spot.

Thanks in advance guys!!!!
 
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Your river math is off here (2.5:1), but setting that aside, I think in these spots you really have to consider what's been going on recently with your opponent. If he's been losing, I probably make this call. But in general I'd probably fold here just because of the number of people on the flop and 2 calls. That usually means made hand or combo draw. I think the other thing you have to consider is how often this kind of opponent is turning 2 pair into a bluff.

It's close because of the price you're getting, but w/o being there myself I'd probably fold here.
 
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Hi guys I played an interesting hand yesterday and would like some feedback on the way I approached the hand.

Starting stacks:
Hero: $1000
Villain: $457

Hero opens to $15 UTG holding 8<font color='black'>♠</font> 8<font color='red'>♦</font> UTG+1, MP2, CO, and Villain in the BB call.

The flop comes: 4<font color='black'>♠</font> 5<font color='red'>♦</font> 6<font color='red'>♥</font> $76 in pot

Villain checks. Hero bets $50. UTG+1 and MP2 fold. The CO and BB both call.

The turn brings an 8<font color='red'>♥</font> $226 in pot

Villain in the BB leads out for $100. Hero calls. The CO folds. Calling here appeared to be the best option as raising would only get 7x type hands to call.

The river brings a Q<font color='red'>♥</font> $426 in pot

Villain shoves all-in for his remaining $292. Hero???

Villain is a regular loose aggressive fish who plays a very wide range of hands, chases draws, and bluffs occasionally. Villain's turn lead seems as if he is protecting his straight against back door draws. Moreover, given that I am only getting approx 1.5 to 1 I didn't feel like villain would bluff 40% of the time in this spot.

Thanks in advance guys!!!!

It's hard to put him on a bluff. Really, the only hand that could make sense if you are beating anything is Q6 and he's shoving light thinking his two pair hand is better than your JJ+, or he flopped a set of 4s, 5s, 6s. And even that's a bit of a stretch. Although it could be some leveling stuff - try to make it look like it's a bluff when it's actually a set of 4s.

But let's say it's a lower set. There's only 12 of those combinations. There's way more combinations of 7x and heart-heart holdings that overcall from the blinds. So if it is for value you are very likely behind. You're really not much better in this spot than with pocket tens.

It's hard to call the turn bet a protection bet considering he then puts his whole stack in on the river when the flush gets there. So either he semi-bluffed the turn and then got there, or he is air-balling in a multi-way pot. The other clue is that you bet 50 into 75 on the flop (2/3). He's betting 100 into 226, which is less than 1/2. To me, I think the logic here is that he wants to see a river and gets there cheaper if he leads out rather than calling a bigger bet from you - and remember, he probably doesn't have you on a set of 8s. He's probably got you on an over pair.

All things considered, I think he thinks he had a lot of potential to improve and wanted to see that river. And he got there. If you think what he got there with, it's most likely suited overs.
 
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Even the turn card is disgusting though. It's always painful hitting a set when that card makes the board even more vulnerable to straights. Unless the board pairs :D

Anyways quick suggestion: Call turn. Cry and fold on the river. Terrible turn and river cards for you.
 
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Your river math is off here (2.5:1), but setting that aside, I think in these spots you really have to consider what's been going on recently with your opponent. If he's been losing, I probably make this call. But in general I'd probably fold here just because of the number of people on the flop and 2 calls.

^this.

It's suicide for villain to do this with air or non-straight hands in this spot.
 
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Easy fold if you say he's a loose recreational player, he could have slow played a straight being ignorant of the flush draw or have a random heart being bailed out of jail regardless of playing perhaps a lower set meh..
 
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