$400 NLHE Full Ring: KK OOP vs loose maniac

Hi guys played an interesting hand at a 2/5 NL table today and would like some feedback on the way I approached the hand.

One player limps in EP. Hero opens for $30 in LP holding K:club: K:spade:. Villain in the CO calls and everyone else folds.

Starting stacks
Hero: $500
Villain: $500

The Flop comes: J:club: 2:club: 8:spade: $72 in pot

Hero bets $40. Villain calls.

The turn brings an 8:club: $152 in pot Hero???

Villain is extremely loose. He would limp and call any raise with literally any 2 cards. He has showed down T4s in the past and has open raised hands like Q7o and K4o. He is involved in % 90 of pots at the table. He bets strong when he connects whether it be a draw or a made hand.

Now my concern in this hand would be this turn card. It completes the flush and pairs the 8 on the flop which both of the holdings are definitely in villain's range. Would you opt to lead the turn to control the sizing of the pot since villain will most likely bet heavy if checked to on the turn pricing us out of the hand or would you opt to check and hope that villain bets light on the turn? Also leading out on the turn introduces the risk of villain raising our turn bet with his smaller flush or trips.

Thanks in advance for the feedback guys!

While the 8 and clubs are in his range, it sounds like there are a lot of hands in his range that you still beat. You mentioned he bet his hands hard when connected, do you have a read on how he plays these hands when not leading out? Does he play them hard and re raise or does he slow down and flat? If it is the former, you would expect him to re raise the flop with a flush draw so you may be able to rule that out based on his betting patterns.

I would not check the turn. We are still ahead against the majority of his range and I think it is best to control the bet sizing as well as gain more info. A check gives him the green light to bet with any 2 cards and you don't gain much info. How we plays against a turn bet gives you a much better idea of where he is at. If you keep the bet relatively small, you can get away fairly cheap if he re raises you big.

Given the reads I would probably be happy to gii against this opponent. With our crappy SPR I would be inclined to just shove here since any reasonable bet on the flop with a call or raise by the villain will be giving us decent odds to call off.

Against this opponent type I would probably have over-bet the flop instead of a usual CB sizing especially if he's the type to float 2nd & 3rd pair type hands.

Is villain calling a lot of flops? Is he being aggressive when checked to? If he's being aggressive, and betting his made hands and draws strong, I'd be inclined to CRAI on the turn. Get him to commit with 9T, Jx, etc... If it goes check/check on the turn, and he is aggressive, then you can check / call the river since you know his range will mostly be bluffs since he didn't bet the turn, and you wouldn't really get value betting out.

The other option is bet small on the turn and allow him to raise his draw or to get value from his any two card hand. It really depends on more info to play it ideally.

The way I look at it is this:

-We have no idea where we are at this point in the hand, we know that the villian is an ATC player and is aggressive.

Option one: Check
Result: Villian Bets we have no idea where we stand.

Thats a bad option

Option two: We bet small 40% of the pot
Result: we get called then we think we are in good shape, seeing as the villian would likely raise a flush or a set. We also have outs like another club, another king, another 8, plus we save a lot of money if he puts in a big raise because we can leave the hand easily.

Option three: we bet big
Result: Same as before except we are risking more money and losing more money if he check raises.

I think a small bet here would work best, it is almost a semibluff because we are either way behind or way ahead. It also lets us control the size of the pot.

I would love to hear what you think

Thanks

Mike Byrns

I probably raise a little lower tbh....and might lead at that flop a little smaller.


As played bet 65 on turn imho....we are going to end up check/calling a lot of rivers here for up to 150 bucks if he calls turn.