€400 NLHE Full Ring: KK in a tough river spot

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I played this hand in live casino. The villain is very strong and tight, played only several hands in 3 hours, only opened strong hands, bet quite big, as I also did because players at the table tended to call any hand if bet was sized normally at 3-4 BB. The villain understands showdown value –several times we were together in one pot with TP no kicker and he never bet or raised. Never did he bet a mediocre hand. We both were very deep – with efficient stack of more than 2000 euro.
A had KhKs and opened from MP +1 34 euro, villain called from the button + 3 other callers.

Flop 10h10s3d. I bet 100 euro, villain called, others fold. As he called a large flop bet I put him on medium pocket pair (77-99, JJ, probably QQ, though this would have probably raised pre, or 10x suited in worst case scenario. OESD was less likely given the flop bet size. Though I thought pp was more likely due to the number of combos. The turn is blank 6c. I couldn’t check and lose control of the hand so I bet 200 on the turn and got called, which much perturbed me…. River was Qs. I checked on the river and faced 600 euro bet ....What is the right river decision? Please check the line. Probably I sized my turn bet too large... I will give the results later in the thread.
 
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rivers an easy fold villain would check back worse almost always especially given how u described his play previous to this hand. id consider checking flop into 4 players on this texture. As played check turn maybe call 1 street fold to 2 barrels as again hed b happy to get to showdown if he has 77/88/99 type of hands.
 
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rivers an easy fold villain would check back worse almost always especially given how u described his play previous to this hand. id consider checking flop into 4 players on this texture. As played check turn maybe call 1 street fold to 2 barrels as again hed b happy to get to showdown if he has 77/88/99 type of hands.

I disagree with checking on the flop, you have to bet there but after a nit called my flop bet I would probably check call turn and hope for a cheap showdown.
 
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I disagree with checking on the flop, you have to bet there but after a nit called my flop bet I would probably check call turn and hope for a cheap showdown.
why do u have to bet flop?
10103 rainbow only bad card on turn is an ace and if a qj or k rolls of on turn we can get value from hands that would fold the flop. we r never getting 3 streets of value on this board by checking flop we r more likely to get 2 as we under rep our hand.
 
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rivers an easy fold villain would check back worse almost always especially given how u described his play previous to this hand. id consider checking flop into 4 players on this texture. As played check turn maybe call 1 street fold to 2 barrels as again hed b happy to get to showdown if he has 77/88/99 type of hands.
I see a problem with checking on the flop:
We lose control over the hand and induce the vilain to bet; when he bet we don't know where we are - wether he is bluffing thiinking that we missed or has trips or overpair. When we bet the flop he might float and bet on the turn when checked to. It is not convenient to check OOP.
As to river I agree I made a mistake. A nit wouldn't bet an overpair and would rather go for SDV. Given that he called 2 streets and bet large on the river I was probably beaten. In fact he showed A10.
 
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that is the reason we could check the flop keep there ranges wide and let them bluff us.
 
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I would call and look him up to the average player that sees that checking is weakness. He called from the button, therefore his range is wider. But to your opponent, he doesn't call with bad hands, he probably doesn't float your bets. So A10 or K10s and maybe AQ sounds the most logical because of the way he played it. He could be bluffing, but your fold was correct in the end.
 
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I would call and look him up to the average player that sees that checking is weakness. He called from the button, therefore his range is wider. But to your opponent, he doesn't call with bad hands, he probably doesn't float your bets. So A10 or K10s and maybe AQ sounds the most logical because of the way he played it. He could be bluffing, but your fold was correct in the end.[/quote
Who said I folded:) On the contrary, I made a mistake and called...:(
 
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