$400 NLHE Full Ring: go for gold or value

Live game $2/$5 at local casino effective stacks around $1000.

Villain is a reg he plays LAG , abit spewy at times but has an idea about the game overall .

He overplays his hands and likes to bet when checked to.


example: this was a hand I played with him earlier.

There is a limper in MD I raise it up to $25 with KQ (this is a standard raise on this table)
villain in Co calls , limper folds. Flop is Q 2 10 I bet he calls turn is 8 , I bet he calls , river is K ,I bet half pot , he min raises . I call he shows A10 , I take it down .


Anyway So this hand comes up :
Eff stacks $1000

UTG limps $5 , MD limps $5 , hero in CO raises to ($35) with QsQc , villain on BTN calls , UTG calls
Flop ( 117) Qh Jh 3s UTG checks , hero bets 90 , villain calls , UTG folds
Turn (297) 7h hero bets 170 , villain smirks and shows his hand to the guy next to him and calls ( at this point we are fairly shore that villain has the flush and its most prob the nut)
River (637) 3h So now we have 3 options , check/raise because we know villain likes to bet when checked to , bet a good amount $400 or so , or go for gold and shove .
Villain has invested $295 in the pot , has 705 left and the pot is 637 , whats our best option .

Check/Jam. Get value from his bluffs, and give him better odds to call the ship when he valuebets.

check/jam or fake blocker bet $200

I hate giving the villian the opportunity to lose the min here, I like the blocking bet size of $200-$250 to either get a crying call or get a jam from the villain.

I don't really see Villain calling our check/jam with just the naked Ah unless he knows we are capable of pulling off some really sick bluffs...and that's assuming he does have the Ah. Fake blocker bets should be easy calls, not shoves, as V will know you're folding to a shove with anything worse than Ah (so if we put V on nothing, then fake blocker bet could be a good move).

However, since we are so confident about him having Ah, why are we not just jamming? The Ah is a big part of our range and we can play it like we have it (or are bluffing to rep it). Since he's a bit spewy I don't see him folding the Ah and we may even get calls out of Kh or 10h

He's not flatting with the nut flush on the river

baudib1 said:

check/jam or fake blocker bet $200

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Check/Jam really , what if villain infact has K ot J high flush and sees the paired board and checks behind. This would be a disaster. I think I like the blocking bet better, but he only raises us with A flush .

if his range is that strong that he has straights and flushes and doesnt like folding them overbet shove (possibly underboats)

Based on our read, villain thinks he has the nuts. He's basically never checking this river when checked to and probably shouldn't.

Henreiman said:

I don't really see Villain calling our check/jam with just the naked Ah unless he knows we are capable of pulling off some really sick bluffs...and that's assuming he does have the Ah. Fake blocker bets should be easy calls, not shoves, as V will know you're folding to a shove with anything worse than Ah (so if we put V on nothing, then fake blocker bet could be a good move).

However, since we are so confident about him having Ah, why are we not just jamming? The Ah is a big part of our range and we can play it like we have it (or are bluffing to rep it). Since he's a bit spewy I don't see him folding the Ah and we may even get calls out of Kh or 10h

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I think villain is calling our check shove because hes not good enough to fold an A high flush . But think its abit risky to check this , because if the paired board scares villain and he infact has a K or J flush , he might put us on a A high flush or a book and check behind.
Agree on the blocking bet scenario just an easy call for him if he hasn't got A high.
Shove is probably our best move here.

Open jamming is the worst option as it lets him get away from any flush other than the Ah. Check/jamming is risky as again, it gives him an option to check any flush other than Ah or Kh and possibly even Qh if he's bad enough to bet it on a 4flush, paired board.

Personally I like the standard value bet of $300-$390.

baudib1 said:

Based on our read, villain thinks he has the nuts. He's basically never checking this river when checked to and probably shouldn't.

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Yes your right , a good player shouldn't check , when we check , but bad players tend to check when they should bet , and bet when then should be checking .
Plus our check shove might look stronger than just straight out shove, don't you think?

What part of he thinks he is slowplaying the nuts do you not understand?

postflopper said:

Open jamming is the worst option as it lets him get away from any flush other than the Ah. Check/jamming is risky as again, it gives him an option to check any flush other than Ah or Kh and possibly even Qh if he's bad enough to bet it on a 4flush, paired board.

Personally I like the standard value bet of $300-$390.

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This is what I did Bet $400 and villain thinks for about 20 sec and calls , Shows Ah flush.

This is why Im questioning if a shove wouldn't be better , we are loosing value here, and there is no way villain is folding with A high and might just be bad enough to call with K high. Our read is that he has one of those hands .

baudib1 said:

What part of he thinks he is slowplaying the nuts do you not understand?

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Villain thinks he has the nuts until we show aggression , check/shove is a strong move on the river , so villain might just realize that he hasn't got the nutz after all.

But then again if he does bet its gonna be like $300-$400 wich would leave him around $300-$400 and hes probably not folding to the shove , even if he realises that he could be beaten.

I actually bet $400 and villain calls with A high flush , so he must have realised that hes not got the nuts otherwise the rest of his stack would have gone in .

So in fact I like the check / shove the best because villain is not likelly checking
behind , and is probably betting around $300-$400 ( witch is what my value bet was anyway) , and is likely to put the rest in to a shove coz of the price hes getting .

Actually I dont like the fake blocking bet after all , he might just realize that he hasn't got the nutz and call.

I'm not a big fan of check/raising but in this case with this villain we can c/r the s*** out of him

we check, he bets, we jam and he is never ever folding.

kanselau said:

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Actually I dont like the fake blocking bet after all , he might just realize that he hasn't got the nutz and call.

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Agreed. A fake blocking bet is just FPS and the worst option. I would rather just open jam then put out a fake blocking bet because there is a really good chance he just calls it with all his non-nut flushes.

No way this V is ever going to check a flush if we check to him and then when we jam over the top of his bet, no way this villain is ever going to fold...

check/jam FTW