$400 NLHE Full Ring: Extracting max value from overpair

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LeGenie

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Hi guys I played an interesting hand yesterday at a 2/5 table and would like some feedback on the way I approached the hand.

Starting stacks:

Hero: $500
Villain: $360

Villain (UTG) limps. It gets folded around to Hero on the BTN who raises to $30. SB folds, BB and Villain both call.

The flop comes: T 9 2 rainbow $92 in pot

BB checks. Villain leads for $45. Villain is a fairly decent TAG whose leading out range consists of QJ, AT, KT, QT, JT. Against such a range could you just flat to extract another bet from Villain since raising will only make him fold such holdings? I didn't incorporate 99, TT, and 22 in his range because he would have most likely opened with TTs pre-flop and c/raised 99 and 22. I tend to quite often find myself in these spots where I tend to fast play over pairs on fairly coordinated boards and would like to know if flatting can be optimal to extract more value from my holdings.

Thanks for the feedback guys!!!
 
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Whats your hand?

I think I would just call here first and see what will happen on the turn. I want to see the turn card and his action next.
 
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Hi guys I played an interesting hand yesterday at a 2/5 table and would like some feedback on the way I approached the hand.

Starting stacks:

Hero: $500
Villain: $360

Villain (UTG) limps. It gets folded around to Hero on the BTN who raises to $30. SB folds, BB and Villain both call.

The flop comes: T 9 2 rainbow $92 in pot

BB checks. Villain leads for $45. Villain is a fairly decent TAG whose leading out range consists of QJ, AT, KT, QT, JT. Against such a range could you just flat to extract another bet from Villain since raising will only make him fold such holdings? I didn't incorporate 99, TT, and 22 in his range because he would have most likely opened with TTs pre-flop and c/raised 99 and 22. I tend to quite often find myself in these spots where I tend to fast play over pairs on fairly coordinated boards and would like to know if flatting can be optimal to extract more value from my holdings.

Thanks for the feedback guys!!!

Methinks you have this guy's playing style misidentified. A TAG open-raises UTG, he doesn't limp-call a 6x raise --- especially with QJ, KT, QT, or JT.

I don't know what you're holding, but I'm assuming it's an overpair to the board given the info in your summary. I'm raising to $120 every time because I don't want the BB to call and make it a multi-way pot. If you get re-raised here, you have to consider the possibility that you're up against a set --- which I believe is FAR more likely than QJ, KT, QT, or JT given how the hand played out. Lots of players donk-bet small with sets, hoping to get overpairs to raise and commit themselves.

Regardless, I don't flat here. Ever.

-HooDooKoo
 
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Whats your hand?

I think I would just call here first and see what will happen on the turn. I want to see the turn card and his action next.

Sorry about that I had QQ.
 
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With an overpair i prefer raising here to extract max value. No need to flat call here as i think it will be a sub optimal play.

We must make him pay for his adventure of donk betting into us with a pair or trying to see a cheap turn card in case he has a draw.:cool:
 
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simple answer? you can call or raise. i'd be a little more likely to raise QQ than KK or AA since QQ has more overcards to it.

but the analysis comes in thinking about stack sizes and how to manipulate them. if you call and the other guy folds you have a pot of $182 and are playing $285 effective stacks behind. that's a fine depth to jam over villain on the turn. raising flop is fine too tho.
 
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Hi guys I played an interesting hand yesterday at a 2/5 table and would like some feedback on the way I approached the hand.

Starting stacks:

Hero: $500
Villain: $360

Villain (UTG) limps. It gets folded around to Hero on the BTN who raises to $30. SB folds, BB and Villain both call.

The flop comes: T 9 2 rainbow $92 in pot

BB checks. Villain leads for $45. Villain is a fairly decent TAG whose leading out range consists of QJ, AT, KT, QT, JT. Against such a range could you just flat to extract another bet from Villain since raising will only make him fold such holdings? I didn't incorporate 99, TT, and 22 in his range because he would have most likely opened with TTs pre-flop and c/raised 99 and 22. I tend to quite often find myself in these spots where I tend to fast play over pairs on fairly coordinated boards and would like to know if flatting can be optimal to extract more value from my holdings.

Thanks for the feedback guys!!!

Does villain often limp UTG call raise ? If so he is not a decent TAG. If its rarely then he probably limped with a monster because he is a decent TAG and tale dynamics were right.

If you have his range correct then its a no brainer to raise. If hes limp calling hitting top pair and folding hes shit and exploit this.

If this is the first time hes done this then check calling is your better option coz his range probably looks like KK+ 22 AK and your prob beat.

As played get stacks in on flop.
 
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